Diaw-Oh: What’s Up With Boris? And Other Situations to Watch

The first week of the season is in the books, some teams have played up to four games, so it’s time to start trying to identify some early trends. Let’s look at some situations that may be on your mind.

I wasn’t too concerned about Boris Diaw coming into the season, even though he was coming off an out-of-nowhere career season and the Suns were going to be integrating Amare Stoudemire back into the offense. He was just too integral a part of the Suns success last year to think that he’d suddenly get lost in the shuffle, especially after they committed to him long term in the offseason. How do I feel about him now? Not as good, obviously. It was encouraging to see him back in the starting lineup on Saturday, just one night after he came off the bench and saw only 16 minutes. But he’s still out of sorts, as he hasn’t registered an assist in consecutive games. For all the talk about Amare Stoudemire impacting his numbers, it may be that Kurt Thomas is actually stealing his thunder. Diaw flourished as the starting center for the Suns last year, but with Thomas doing a fine job of manning the middle, Diaw’s playing a bit out of his comfort zone.

So what to do? Relax, that’s what. You’re not going to do something ridiculous like drop your third/fourth/fifth round pick after a single week. That’s just not an option. You can look into trading him, but there’s no way you’re going to get equal value. So just try to ride it out. It’s not like Phoenix is succeeding with Diaw playing at a subpar level. The team is off to a 1-3 start, so things aren’t exactly clicking for the Suns. You do have to worry that there are a whole lot of capable bodies for a finite number of minutes. At this point, only two players on the Suns are sure things, those obviously being Steve Nash and Shawn Marion. Leandro Barbosa and Kurt Thomas are off to hot starts; Raja Bell, Stoudemire and Diaw are not. That’s not to mention Marcus Banks and James Jones, or the newly signed Jalen Rose, or Jumaine Jones, who hasn’t taken off his warm ups yet. As long as Diaw stays in the starting lineup, things are bound to get better. He might stay around the 30 mpg mark as opposed to 35, but if he can string together a couple of consecutive 16/7/9 games, he should win back the trust of D’Antoni and fantasy owners alike. Remember, everybody has bad weeks; sometimes they just happen at the beginning of the season.

I also wasn’t too concerned about Stephon Marbury and took him in the fourth round of my draft. How do I feel now? I’m worried, I’ll admit. But I’m still hopeful. Marbury was simply awful on Saturday night, shooting 1-of-9 and turning the ball over 6 times while registering just a single assist. It doesn’t get any worse than that. On top of that, Steve Francis exploded for 25 points while Nate Robinson continued his sparkplug ways that make him perhaps the only player the fans in MSG actually enjoy cheering for. Still, the only game the Knicks won this year was the game Marbury played well in, as he registered 19 and 8 in the season opener. He also played 46 minutes in that game, 41 in regulation. And he played 38 in the next game after dropping to just 26 in the pathetic Saturday outing. It’s hard to see Isiah giving up on Marbury; at the same time it’s hard to see him keeping Marbury out there on nights when he clearly doesn’t have it, especially with capable guys like Francis, Robinson and Jamal Crawford around. This is going to limit his value. One of the best things about the true superstars is that even on off nights, they are going to out there getting their minutes no matter what, and will be contributing in other ways. A good example of this was Gilbert Arenas on opening night, when he shot just 2-of-12 and scored 7 points. He was still out there for 38 minutes and was able to rack up 11 assists, 5 boards and 2 steals. Marbury likely won’t have the same kind of leeway. Again, you just have to ride this out and hope for the best.

The Warriors are just 1-2, but they are pretty much a mess. Monta Ellis is leading the team in scoring and Mickael Pietrus in rebounding. That’s not right. Jason Richardson is clearly not there yet, Baron Davis is up to his old tricks of hitting about one of three from the field and two of three from the line, something’s wrong with Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy is, well, still Mike Dunleavy. Those four players are all making obscene amounts of money, so you’d think that the Warriors would have no choice to play them. But Don Nelson’s in charge and he might decide to shake things up. He might not have a choice, especially since some of the other players on this team are playing so well. Andris Biedrins joined the starting lineup for the team’s blowout loss to the Jazz and looks to have at least some short-term value. We’re longtime Biedrins fans, as he’s shown great ability to board and block in his limited opportunities in his first two years. Still, I’m not convinced he’s going to be a long-term answer for the Warriors, or at least I’m not convinced Don Nelson sees him as one. He’s actually sort of what they need, a player who does the gritty thing and absolutely never looks for his own shot. So he’s worth grabbing and seeing how this shakes out, but don’t feel bad or surprised if you end up throwing him back out there in a few weeks.

I took a flier on Ike Diogu in our 12×13 league over the weekend, jettisoning Eddie Jones for him. Jones looks terrible and doesn’t seem to be taking advantage of the opportunity to assert himself as a main option on the Grizzlies. I’m pretty sure I’m the biggest Jones fan in my league; if I want him back, I bet I could get him. Diogu has played 22 or 23 minutes in each game so far, and I figure that Murphy, Biedrins and Adonal Foyle have all started at center so far, maybe Diogu’s chance isn’t far behind. He’s a great scorer, that much is clear. If Nelson’s just trying to shake things up, or Murphy needs some time off, Diogu could get the call. More of a hunch here than anything. Pietrus started the season opener and has seen decent time off the bench in the past two, but I’d stay away from him. I picked him up when he became a starter last year, watched many of his games, and he’s just a disaster out there. He is playing for a contract this year, but it’s hard to see Nelson becoming too infatuated with him. As for Ellis, he’s a dynamo, that’s for sure. He’s all SG and no PG, so let’s get that clear. He can score, but Richardson and Davis remain the two biggest roadblocks to PT on this team. As is the basic refrain of this column, if you own those guys, there’s not much you can do at this point. It’s a combustible situation, and the Warriors have a very tough back-to-back tonight and tomorrow, first at winless Dallas, then in Oklahoma City for the Hornets first game there this season. So the ugliness may continue, and then who knows what will happen?

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Rook
November 6th, 2006 7:40 am

Any updated thoughts on Jarrett Jack? Some good signs (36 mpg, 7 assists, good FT% and steals) but I keep finding myself wanting to drop him.

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DM
November 6th, 2006 7:46 am

I still like Jack, although his minutes have mirrored Marbury’s so far in his three games. Juan Dixon, Martell Webster AND Travis Outlaw all played very well on Saturday (with our main man Juan nailing the game-winning 3 from the corner!), so that let Roy slide over the point and Jack played spectator for most of crunch time. I doubt that will happen too often. If you have Jack, don’t expect him to be a star. I consider him a bit of a stretch as a PG2 in a 12-team league, but I still think he’s a very nice guy to have around, if not all that exciting.

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ic
November 6th, 2006 10:24 am

when talking about slow starts, do you think that channing frye will improve?

would you exchange frye for kevin martin?

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DM
November 6th, 2006 10:46 am

If I had to pick between the two I’d rather have Kevin Martin, but I do think Channing Frye will put up some decent numbers soon. Martin’s more assured to be a consistent focal point of his team’s offense, though.

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Nelson
November 6th, 2006 11:02 am

How about Marcus Williams and Travis Outlaw? Should i drop Smush Parker/Damon Stoudamire for them?

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Rook
November 6th, 2006 11:40 am

Thanks for answering so many questions lately. Would you value Jarrett Jack higher or lower than Kurt Thomas at this point?

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JM
November 6th, 2006 12:20 pm

Curious what people think about Luke Walton.
He’s putting up good all-around stats so far, and the coach loves him. He may see his playing time dip when VladRad’s hand gets better, and Kwame/Mimh return.

Thus far (including 2 games w/out Kobe)…

29 min, 14 pts, 5 reb, 3.5 ast, 1.3 3’s, 1.3 stls, 0.5 blks, 61%FG, 58%FT

I’m particulalry interested that he gets you 3’s,stls,blks, without hurting you anywhere (aside from FT% - which should improve to his career avg in the 70s)

Would you drop Gay for Walton?
The idea being…ride Walton for a few weeks, if his playing time tapers off, then try to pick Gay back up when he starts to get more consistent playing time. It’s a slight risk, but not too bad. I’ve got a feeling Gay will be like Villanueva was last year. Valuable at times, but on and off the waiver wire.

Only other guy I could drop would be Milicic, but don’t want to do it, since he’s gonna be a blocks machine very soon…

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bv
November 6th, 2006 12:32 pm

JM, i’m going to talk about rookies tomorrow but I’d hold on to Gay for now. That’s not a knock on Walton, who I think could be a great FA pickup that will be around 80-100 on the PR and a fine utility guy, but Gay has a higher ceiling and has shown some nice attributes so far.

Rook - I’d say those two are right next to each other, it’s more a matter of who does more as far as filling needs for your team.

Nelson - marcus williams does not belong on a roster right now. I’d hold on to parker, he’s by far the best of the group you’ve mentioned. stoudamire and outlaw …. that’s a move you could make, but i’d hold off for now.

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ic
November 6th, 2006 12:53 pm

would you say that kevin martin has a higher ceiling than say, larry hughes? would anyone swap hughes for martin?

i was looking at their stats and they’re almost comparable except that hughes plays second fiddle to lebron and martin is one artest breakdown away from being the man on the king’s offense

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Terrance
November 6th, 2006 1:15 pm

IC- im a big martin fan and was burnt by hughes last year (took him in the 4th round last year). Id still buy on hughes this season over martin. hughes produces in a few more catagories than martin and is guaranteed minutes and is more established. not to say that martin isnt going to get minutes, i just think that cleveland would stay with hughes if hughes were to slump than say the kings staying with martin if he slumped for a prolonged period of time. good question though, very tough to say for sure.

JM-i do like walton, but you know what yr getting with him, you know his ceiling. on top of that, you know his ceiling could be even lower with the return of mihm and k brown and not to mention bynum is finding his place at C. so you have 4 guys competing for minutes @ 2 positions, not a fantasy friendly enviroment in LA. id stay away

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DM
November 6th, 2006 1:38 pm

Perhaps I’m a little too high on Kevin Martin because he’s on my team, but I really think he’s for real. He’s going to play, he’s going to score and he’s going to chip in some 3s and steals. He’s not going to put together a season like Hughes had in 04-05, but then again neither is Hughes. Larry’s jumper looked really pure opening night against the Wiz, but he’s 10-for-27 in his last couple, and he’s just not going to shoot much better than 42%. I’d still take Hughes, even knowing his fragile history, but it’s pretty close to a toss up. But it’s true, the Cavs have too much invested in Hughes to just sit him should he get in a slump.

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Jeremy
November 6th, 2006 1:40 pm

Here’s my team that I drafted:

1. (1) LeBron James F
2. (20) Paul Pierce G,F
3. (21) Joe Johnson PG
4. (40) Marcus Camby C
5. (41) Mike Bibby PG
6. (60) Chris Kaman C
7. (61) Jameer Nelson PG
8. (80) Larry Hughes G
9. (81) Darko Milicic PF,C
10. (100) Zaza Pachulia PF,C
11. (101) Andre Miller PG
12. (120) Kevin Martin G
13. (121) Nenad Krstic PF,C
14. (140) Deron Williams PG
15. (141) Chris Wilcox PF,C

Seeing as I have quite a number of centers, I thought it would be a good idea to try to move one for a value player in a trade. Right now, I believe that I am currently lacking in 3ptm. This is a 10-team, 12-cat H2H league, that uses min, pts,3ptm, fg%, ft%, steals, assists, blocks, TOs, techs, rebs and orebs.

Like I said, I believe that I am quite weak in threes, but don’t think I can really afford to grab another PG with their limitations in other categories, not to mention being able to fit them in at the same time. That being said, should I try to move one of my centers, say Kaman, for someone like Antwan Jamison or maybe even Charlie Villanueva. Right now I have by far the best stack of center eligible players in the league, and some guys, especially the ones on autodraft, are stuck with guys like Tony Battie on the roster.

What do you guys think? I proposed Kaman for Jamison but then quickly pulled it back because I thought I’d get some feedback first on (1) whom to trade and (2) what kind of value to pursue.

Thanks a ton.

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Andy
November 6th, 2006 1:52 pm

IC - it’s close, but personally, I’d take Martin, especially in a 9-cat league. Hughes can kill you in FG% and TOs and IMO his steals and other contributions are no longer enough to make up for it. Combine that with his injury history (he says his finger’s still not even healed all the way) and I am not a big fan.

Martin a better shooter all-around than Hughes (he’ll help you in FG%, FT%, and 3’s) but he probably won’t do quite as much in assists or in the defensive cats, although he’s started out the season with a ton of steals. However, he won’t really kill you in any category either.

I had them very close in my preseason rankings but Martin is young and has a ton of upside and I just don’t trust Hughes to stay healthy.

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bv
November 6th, 2006 1:53 pm

jeremy, that’s quite a draft! Pierce, Bibby, Williams, Martin, Miller and Krstic were ridiculous steals.

that said, if i were you, I’d make a move for a more dependable big man. i can’t argue with any of your first 8 picks but the fact is they’re all guards with the exception of Camby (risk-o-rama) and Kaman (not exactly a sure bet yet). I’d try and move one of your guards for a big man, not the other way around.

also, you’re fine on threes. between your top 3 picks you’ll be just fine there.

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S
November 6th, 2006 1:54 pm

I know you mentioned you’re writing about Rudy Gay soon, so maybe you can include a response in that entry. What do you think of Gay vs. another SF/PF on his own team, Hakim Warrick? I drafted Gay but am tempted to dump him for Warrick, seening that Warrick is getting more minutes than Gay thus far (and better stats to go with that).

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Jeremy
November 6th, 2006 2:19 pm

Also, another quick note…where do you see Bobby Simmons fitting in this year? Redd is doing great and Bogut and Villanueva are stepping up their offense. Do you think that Bobby Simmons will repeat on his numbers from last year, and if he does, does he deserve a spot on my team once he comes back from injury?

Thanks.

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Jeremy
November 6th, 2006 2:24 pm

Thanks for the insight BV…I also feel that I need a big man that stuffs the stat line. Kaman…I feel I may have taken him a bit too early, but seeing as some other people (Bogut, Dalembert) but taken before I had a chance in the next round, I guess he’s not too bad.

Anyways, whom would you suggest trying to move? Larry Hughes seems like the best candidate so far, especially if he can keep up his good play that he’s been doing so far. If I could trade him for a decent PF, then I’d be up for it.

I have a ton of C-eligible players, but unfortunately many of them are of a lower tier (Wilcox, Krstic & Zaza) than I’d like. That spot in the draft though, just doesn’t lend itself to many good big men…at least not in my draft.

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Jeremy
November 6th, 2006 2:31 pm

One more note…sorry to be spamming up the comments.

One of the guys in my league autodrafted and ended up with only two center eligible players, including Chris Bosh and Tony Battie. As such, I’m sure he’d like an additional center. What do you guys think, with my current roster, about moving Kaman and Hughes for Antawn Jamison and David West. I obviously don’t know if he’d be up for it, but it seems like a decent/acceptable trade, especially if he is looking for a scarce position like center.

Anyways, does that seem fair to you guys and is it something that you’d recommend. Thanks for the 2nd opinion!

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Terrance
November 6th, 2006 3:41 pm

jeremy-id be surprised if he accepted that deal. i wouldnt take an injury risk and a partially-unproven C for jamison and west. west maybe coming off a career year and hit his max value last season, but i see west doing what he does for several more seasons as he is a banger who doesnt need to be an integral part of the offense. West value is on the boards and getting putbacks. he reminds me of kurt thomas back in the day, very solid and reliable.

sorry to ramble off there, if that was offered to me i would reject it. just to give you one opinion.

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Jeremy
November 7th, 2006 2:36 am

Yeah, I sent the deal to him and he definately didn’t take it, though he did think about it for a while. Unfortunately, Jamison’s amzing play to start out the season is going to make over-valued…at least for a little bit.

One suggestion for a column soon would be above players that could be traded for at a good value right now. Maybe a player started the season out poorly and the owner might be itchy to pull the trigger.

Also, is it just me, or is anyone else nervous about Jameer Nelson right now? And when is Darko finally gonna get the minutes he needs…argh.

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bv
November 7th, 2006 6:40 am

Jeremy, we warned you plenty about Darko before the season started. Just because Rotoworld loves him doesn’t make it true!!

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DM
November 7th, 2006 6:46 am

I have a theory on Darko … he’s a free agent at the end of the season. I think the Magic might intentionally keep his minutes down in order to keep his numbers and therefore value down so they can sign him at a somewhat reasonable price in the offseason. A total hunch, but might not be the worst long-term business idea for the team.

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