Who Would Ya? Peja vs. Caron

Another new feature here on FBB, one where we pit two seemingly equal players against each other in a battle to the death. Except replace “battle to the death” with “which one will be more valuable in fantasy leagues.” Today we’ll look at a couple of players that were brought up by commenter Rich over the weekend, Peja Stojakovic and our #2 hero here in D.C., Caron Butler. Don’t worry, we can be objective. Most likely.

Scoring Catgories
It’s almost exactly even through FG%, FT% and points. Stojakovic could be counted on for around 48% during his peak years in Sacramento, but that’s not going to happen anymore. Both him and Butler can be expected to shoot around 45% on about 14-15 shots per game. Stojakovic has an uncharacteristically low 79% mark from the line right now, but you can expect that will be around 90% by the end of the season. Still, Butler has a bit more value from the line since his not-at-all-shabby 85% comes with a couple more attempts per game. Both players can be expected to drop in just under 20 points per game. Stojakovic is more explosive, as his 42-point game the other night showed, but Butler might actually be a more consistent option since he’s more likely to get to the line. It’s when we step out to long range that Stojakovic has the obvious edge. Butler loves to take 20-foot jumpers, but he doesn’t like to often extend outside that. Stojakovic is a straight-up gunner. At least 40% of his attempts will be from behind the arc, and expect him, Ray Allen and Gilbert Arenas to fight it out for most 3PM at the end of the season.
Edge: Stojakovic

Non-Scoring Categories
Here’s where Butler has the big advantage. Remember back in his rookie season when Butler averaged 1.8 spg and we thought he’d be one of the great thieves for the next decade? Then his role diminished the next season and it took him a while to get adapted in L.A. the next season. He got back to 1.7 spg in his first season in Washington and this season only Ron Artest and Brevin Knight are topping Butler’s 2.2 spg. Last night’s wonderful romp over the Cavs was the first game this season in which Butler didn’t tally a steal, and he’s actually dropped off a bit lately with just two in his last three games. But he had notched at least two in every game before that, so it’s simply regressing towards the mean. Butler is also becoming a monster on the boards. Anyone who watched the playoff series against the Cavs last spring knows what a force he can be, as he averaged 10.5 in the series including 20 in Game 6. He’s reached double digits in three of his last five games and his average of 7 per game this season is no fluke. Stojakovic has absolutely no value in any of these categories. His assists are well below average for a swingman, and his usually decent rebounding is way down this year. You also can’t count on him for any blocks or steals.
Edge: Butler

Durability/Consistency
Stojakovic has missed 10+ games in each of the past two seasons and has only one season of 80+ games in his career. He’s managed to avoid any serious injuries and is just 29 years old, so he should continue to be OK. It wouldn’t be surprising for him to miss a few games here of there, but despite the past couple of tumultuous seasons he should be a safe bet for 75 games. Butler missed some time at the end of last year with a thumb injury that was a lot more serious than he let on, so give him points there for being a warriors. He’s another very safe bet for 75 games. But the difference is game-to-game performance. Stojakovic is a shooter, so when his shot is falling, things are going well, like Tuesday when he scored the Hornets first 20 points en route to 42. But that 42 is double his high game in any other contest, and he’s receiving a surprisingly low 32 mpg. It’s working for the 7-3 Hornets so far, so while that number may go up, it’s not wise to expect much more than 35 mpg from Stojakovic. Butler, meanwhile, is playing huge minutes for the Wizards. They have no choice, really, as he’s not just one of their main offensive weapons but also one of their best defenders and rebounders. Take away a blowout win against the Pacers and Butler has played at least 36 minutes in every other game and 39 minutes in six out of 10.
Edge: Butler

Verdict
When in doubt, go with the minutes. Stojakovic can singlehandedly put you in contention in 3s, but he’s really a glorified specialist in that category these days. He doesn’t get to the line enough to make much of a difference there and he’s not an impact scorer. This would be different if he was still getting those 38-40 mpg he received during his heyday in Sacramento, but that’s in the past. Butler is the one getting those minutes now and it helps him rack up numbers even on most off nights. Coming into the season, Stojakovic was seen as slightly more valuable; he went #44 in our league while Butler was #54, and most rankings had Stojakvoic roughly one round better than Butler. But the current player rater doesn’t like, and Butler is at #36 while Stojakovic languishes at #66. It should tighten up, but Butler is the pick.

Transaction Reaction

November 19

Pickup: Jeff Foster
Drop: Kenny Thomas

Foster entered the starting lineup on Saturday, but it might be a short-term move. But then again, it might not be. Al Harrington was playing out of position in the middle, although really you could say Jermaine O’Neal was manning the middle. In either way, Rick Carlisle likes Foster and wants to get him more minutes. It’s plausible the Pacers could go with a Tinsley/Granger/Harrington/O’Neal/Foster starting five, but that seems more like a Phil Jackson sort of move. You know what you’re going to get with Foster, and I consider that a good thing. Foster is a noted rebounding machine, and only Reggie Evans, Dwight Howard and Carlos Boozer are grabbing boards at a better rate than Foster this season. Even if he plays only 20 minutes, he’s got a good chance to grab 10 boards. But do know that’s all he’ll give you. He’s never blocked shots or scored, although he does grab a decent number of steals for a center. If you’re shorthanded at center and just want to get some boards, Foster seems to be a fine option for the time being. Thomas has just dropped off miserably in the past few games, with Corliss Williamson taking most of his minutes.

November 18
Pickup: Jorge Garbajosa
Drop: Paul Millsap

Here’s your new hot pick up, and with good reason. Hey, anyone who receives around 40 minutes in back-to-back games is worth grabbing, without question. So what do we know about the Garbage Man? Well, not a whole lot. He’s been starting at center but clearly isn’t your traditional center and doesn’t qualify there in most leagues. He’s likely to have more 3s than blocks this season, which certainly isn’t what you’d expect from a big man. John Hollinger guessed that he might have trouble adapting to the longer NBA 3-point line, and so far that’s proved true as he’s connected on just 4-of-24. But he’s got active hands, notching 6 steals in his two starts, and he should get decent boards by virtue of being one of the taller players out there on a team that plays an up-tempo pace. Asking him to be the next Mehmet Okur is a bit much, as Okur is a legit top 40 player, and you never know exactly what Sam Mitchell’s going to do. But Rasho Nesterovic is a stiff and Garbajosa fits the Raptors scheme much better. Keep your expectations in check, but there’s a good chance he won’t be appearing back on your free agent list any time soon.

November 17
Pickup: Alonzo Mourning
Drop: Kwame Brown

An obvious pickup with Shaq out for at least a month. Mourning hasn’t looked the same as he did last year when Shaq went down early, but if Saturday night’s rejection of a Josh Smith dunk was any indication, he could be getting into the swing of things now. Mourning should be worth starting in basically all leagues as there’s unlikely to be anyone as strong as him in blocks, except for perhaps my boy Jermaine O’Neal. He’s not going to score much and he’ll miss a bunch of free throws, but put him in your lineup and enjoy the swats.

Pickup: Erick Dampier
Drop: Channing Frye

That was quite a game for Erica on Friday night, but his output on Saturday night is what you should expect going forward. Those 22 points from Friday are very likely to be his season high, he’s 6-for-16 from the line on the rest of the season, and while he has a fine chance to stay in the 52-54% from the field range, that 69% isn’t going to last. He’s a fine C2 plug-in while he’s hot, but we’ve seen these kinds of flashes from him before.

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TJ
November 20th, 2006 8:47 am

Wondering how you would rank Duncan and Boozer right now. I have Duncan on my team, and I’m considering pitching him for Boozer. I could use TD’s blocked shots, but his free throws and TOs are killing me. Plus, I have Jermaine O’Neal, Wilcox, and Troy Murphy with center potential, so position eligibility is neglible. After TD’s game last night, I sort of want to keep him, but he’s been frustrating me–and keeping my team in last–all season.

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MIKE
November 20th, 2006 10:16 am

Would you guys deal T-Mac for Bosh.

Here is my team:

PG - Baron Davis
SG - K. Martin
G - Bibby
SF - LeBron
PF - Boozer
F - T-Mac
C - Ilgauskus
C - Dalembert
UTIL - Deron Williams, and Mike Miller/Luol Deng

With fast starts by a bunch of these (I traded Randolph to acquire Boozer), I am currently dominating, but I’m very interested as to thoughts on this deal.

TJ - for what its worth, it really depends on need; Boozer will be solid in rebounding and percentages, by Timmy will score more and block more shots.

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Terrance
November 20th, 2006 10:40 am

yeah, sam mitchell scares me. he reminds me of scott skiles. expectations are hard to gauge because those two are always playing with the players minutes and nothing is ever consistent. so im interested in garbajosa, but id like to see another game with 30+, but he may be gone by then :(

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bv
November 20th, 2006 10:41 am

tj, i’d say stick it out with duncan a little bit longer. his history says that by the end of the year he’ll be much better than boozer.

mike, i’d make that deal, yes.

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S
November 20th, 2006 12:33 pm

I’ve been offered Diaw and Paul for Barbosa and Howard. This is a 10 team H2H Yahoo! League. MY team is:

Felton
Arenas
Barbosa
JNelson
KMartin
Mobley
Iguadala
Nocioni
SAR
Howard
Okur
Yao

I am hurting on assists and steals because I have rebounding PGs, who also turn the ball over alot. Losing howard would be a blow to my rebounds, but Im thinking I could withstand it. I love Barbosa right now but he might be a sell high candidate. the question is is Diaw gonna pick it up? Should I make the deal?!?

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ic
November 20th, 2006 1:24 pm

i would not make that deal

howard is doing incredible right now and it offsets whatever gain you get in paul

i’m thinking about offering a disgruntled kaman owner wilcox for kaman. do you think this is a good “buy low” scenario?

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arpit
November 20th, 2006 2:09 pm

monta ellis what can i expect out of him in the long run, with and without davis?

Wat about earl watson now that he is in the starting lineup? Is he worth a pickup over pietrus. I just don’t think pietrus can continue his hot shooting, especially without baron davis to feed him.

Will aldridge start rebounding soon?

Will the addition of watson in the starting lineup affect rashard lewis? He didn’t get a lot of shots last night.

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November 20th, 2006 2:19 pm

S - in some cases I might like that deal, but I think the blow to your rebounds would be more than you could withstand. Some of your guards are OK rebounders, but getting 13+ boards from a single roster spot is extremely difficult to replace.

I love Paul (of course) and would take him over Howard, who can kill you with his very poor FT shooting. However, even though I think Diaw has to improve at least moderately on his numbers, at this point there is a pretty good chance Barbosa will end up being more valuable all season long.

Given your roster, I think Howard’s actually a good fit for your team since you’ve got some excellent FT shooters to make up for him. I’d keep him.

ic - that would be a tough deal to pull the trigger on. Wilcox is talented and has been playing surprisingly well, but if Kaman comes around and starts playing like he did last year, he could end up being a far better overall fantasy player than Wilcox. However, Kaman has looked BAD thus far - he hasn’t even cracked double digits in rebounds yet, and only has 5 blocks on the season. Kaman can only get better, but I don’t think I could bring myself to trade Wilcox for him right now.

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DM
November 20th, 2006 2:59 pm

I like Andy’s point — I’d rather have Paul than Howard, but after you’ve shaped your team a certain way, it’s hard to ditch Howard and all those boards he gets you. My feelings on Howard are unchanged, as I still think that at least in non-H2H roto leagues he’s a liability. He’s also attempting just 9 shots per game so far this year — nine!

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DM
November 20th, 2006 3:19 pm

And when I say liability, I mean based on where he was likely drafted. He’s obviously got plenty of value. Duh.

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MIKE
November 20th, 2006 3:23 pm

Hey all-

Who do you prefer and why — Bibby or Redd?

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Terrance
November 20th, 2006 3:27 pm

arpit, i love watson and his game. but he started a game against the warriors (a run and gun team). i may be wrong, but i think that was more of a matchup start than a regular start. the sonics wanted to humor the warriors and play small ball…it didnt work, they lost. however, ill stick by watson having good value with 30 min/game. grab him if he continues to see 33 min night like last night.

does garbajosa have more value than nazr mohammed? i have mohammed and was glad to snag him out of the FA, but hes just not panning out. should i give him more time to put weight on his bones as ramadan has weakened him? when nazr gets healthier, will he see increased minutes? i know i ask Q’s about nazr everyday, but this is the only weakness for me, my 3rd C.

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Terrance
November 20th, 2006 3:34 pm

well mike. at the beginning of the season i wouldve said bibby. but its not the beginning of the season and redd is more valuable than bibby to me. again, i may be wrong, but bibby just seems like hes getting ready to breakdown. hes been solid for soo long, but as the talent has left sacramento, bibbys FG% has decreased as opposition is keying in on him. i loved bibby the last few years, mediocre assists and high FG FT PTS 3 with some steals, exactly what youd want from a PG

but for some reason i still feel that hes due for an injury or maybe the loss of the proverbial step. i feel this way about garnett and brad miller as well. just not as bulletproof as they once were

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DM
November 20th, 2006 3:44 pm

We had Redd ranked slightly above Bibby before the season started and nothing that’s happened so far would change that, that’s for sure. Terrance is right that Bibby — while still quite valuable — has a lot of games under his belt and just can’t be counted on like he could be three years ago. I don’t think Bibby’s shooting will be much better until Brad Miller comes back; right now there’s nobody around to create good shots for Bibby except himself, and we see how well that’s working out for him.

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Jeremy
November 20th, 2006 4:13 pm

So what is the deal with Chris Kaman exactly? I know that he was stuggling with a quadriceps injury, which limited Dalembert last year, but he has put up horrible numbers in the limited action that he has seen. I don’t watch much Clipper ball, but I’m afraid of them running small with a lineup of Tim Thomas and Brand in the post spots, leaving Kaman as the odd man out.

I know that I can’t drop him yet, but I see other players out on the wire (Aldridge and Garbajosa) who look to have quite a bit of potential, especially if they can get 30+ minutes per night.

I know that it’s still too early to drop Kaman and I can’t do it, and I can’t get any value in a trade either…!!!! What do you suggest? Oh how I wish I would have taken Emeka Okafor with that pick instead.

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DM
November 20th, 2006 10:46 pm

Can I just say — fuck Stephon Marbury? There I feel the slightest bit better. Nothing like coming home totally wasted to find your 4th round pick with 3 points in 19 minutes. Fucking bullshit.

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Carl
November 21st, 2006 12:15 am

I dropped Marbury for Gasol yesterday, and I have to say I feel quite a bit better. It’s not like Gasol will contribute that much less than Marbury over the next month and a half :)

Carl

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bv
November 21st, 2006 6:47 am

DM, remember when i was saying that all of last year? except he was my 2nd round pick, not my 4th? blugh.

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Steve
November 21st, 2006 7:14 am

Who’s got the higher value for the rest of the season in a H2H league? Frye or the Garbage Man?

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[…] Peja Stojakovic Remember a month and a half ago when I debated who was more valuable, Stojakovic or Caron Butler? Wouldn’t make for quite as an intriguing column these days, huh? Unless you are playing in a seriously deep league or have tons of bench spots, Stojakovic has got to be cut. Because there are so many injuries, it means that most teams are holding onto an injured player or two, so roster spots are at a premium. For as long as Stojakovic is going to be out, it has to be a real superstar, such as Rashard Lewis, who is an absolute no-brainer to hold on to during his two month absence. All the signs are negative for Peja – major back surgery, not even attempting to give a timetable for return, just signed a big contract so team won’t want to rush him back, especially since they’ll be far out of the playoff picture by then. Best case scenario would seem to have him back for the last month or so, but it seems like we really may have seen the last of Peja this season. Darius Songaila seems to have undergone a similar operation, and as a Wizards fan I’ve been following his progress and he had surgery before the season started and they’re saying that he might start practicing after the all-star break. So there’s one example. There are just too many guys out there to bother holding onto a player without huge upside who seems to unlikely to return. […]

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