Thanks … For Nothing

It’s Thanksgiving, so I’m supposed to do to the cheesy “Players I’m Thankful For” post, and believe me, I could – I’m the dude who drafted Deron Williams, Zach Randolph and Kevin Martin in rounds 6, 7 and 8. (Yes, I’m bragging, but I’m also trying to make myself feel better for what’s about to come.) Instead, I’m going to go the other way and let it fly.

Stephon Marbury. I hate you. I don’t love to hate you. I just hate you. You are terrible. For the next five months, you are going to bring at least a little bit of misery into every day of my life. You made me happy last night only because I had you on my bench. I thought to myself, “Well, Steve Francis is probably going to head to the bench, maybe he’ll have better luck with Jamal Crawford, maybe he’ll be motivated against his former team.” But I thought better of it. He started the game off driving to the hoop for a layup and I thought I might regret my decision. The rest of his first quarter action consisted of three missed shots and four turnovers. The fact that his final line – 18/1/3, 7-of-15, 4-of-15, no 3s, steals or blocks, 5 turnovers – qualifies as a step in the right direction says it all.

I’m especially upset because I shouldn’t have let this happen. I was very high on Marbury’s chances of turning it around after last year’s disaster. Larry Brown was gone, Isiah Thomas was in. Thomas needed Marbury and Marbury needed Thomas. Marbury had been one of the most consistent performers in the league in the past decade, and last year he was both injured and held hostage by Larry Brown. He even had a new shoe – the $15 sneaker – that he was trying to sell. And hey, when your sneaker only costs $15, you better sell a whole shitload of them, right? Eh, what do I know, I slept through most of my one economics class, when I even went. Point being, I expected big things, but if you remember this post the day before my draft, I basically placed Marbury on my team before the draft even started. And that was just foolish. I hate targeting players; you have to see how the draft plays out and get the value that presents itself. But I pretty much settled on Marbury and when my pick came up in the 4th round, I grabbed him. One of my favorite players, Jason Terry, went two picks later at #47. Terry is always undervalued, and would have been a fine pick there. But my mind was made up. Learn from my mistake.

I’ve watched a lot of Knicks ball so far this year – as much as I’ve been able to stomach, at least – in an attempt to diagnose Marbury’s problems. One of our wisest commenters, Bublitchki, offered his thoughts in the comments section of BV’s Warriors post on Tuesday, and I don’t think he’s far off. I’m not sure I buy as much into the Bill Walton-esque psychoanalysis that Marbury is a broken man and that he can’t restore his confidence. I do think it’s clear that he’s lost the swagger that he used to have, that he didn’t really earn, honestly. And it’s also fairly clear that Marbury does not approach the game the same way he once did. The slashing and tenacity aren’t there. He brings the ball upcourt, and if he doesn’t take it to the rack immediately, he passes it off and knows it’s not coming back to him. Because let’s face it, it would be hard to put a team together with fewer people who are interested in passing than what Isiah Thomas has cobbled together up in New York. Channing Frye, Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, Quentin Richardson – chuckers, everyone of them. So what happens is Marbury comes up court, passes it off and runs to the corner, uninterested, like Randy Moss breaking the huddle on an off tackle run.

So can it get better? Well, yeah, of course it can get better. And because of that, it’s going to be tough to do anything with Marbury. Unless you play in a ridiculously shallow league, you can’t think about cutting Marbury. He’s still a proven commodity who’s getting 35 mpg, cutting him out of frustration won’t really solve anything. His trade value is basically non-existent. For all the talk about buying low and selling high, there aren’t many people out there who actually have the balls to buy low, especially as low as Marbury is right now. The switch to Crawford doesn’t seem like a cure-all tonic.  The Knicks are down to 4-9, and it might be getting to desperation time for Isiah. We could be getting to a point like last year, when there wasn’t a single Knick that was a safe play. As it stands now, only Jamal Crawford really is anyway. It seems unlikely the Knicks could have any sort of real success without Marbury, but the Knicks have certainly been playing worse with him on the court. Not much to do except slot him into your “slumper” bench slot that BV talked about yesterday. And maybe buy his shoes as gifts for everyone you know for Christmas, Hanukkah or Festivus, to inspire him.

01
November 23rd, 2006 11:25 am

As for marbury, I don’t think there’s many players out there who’d thrive in an environment with FOUR shoot first pgs, all in need of minutes. Can you think of a shoot-first PG in the past who was a good fantasy option on that type of team?

In Marbury’s glory years he certainly wasn’t on a team composed in this way.

In other news, Mobley was just dropped in my league. I’m considering dropping Aldridge or Garbajosa for him.
His 3’s and FT% are down this year, and he’s playing on a team with too many good weapons. Any hope that he turns it around this year, barring an injury to Maggette?

He is a proven veteran after all. Then again, we’ve seen how much that has done for Marbury…

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bublitchki
November 23rd, 2006 11:51 am

Hey DM, thanks for the kind words. It’s not often that one is described as “wise” and then compared to Bill Walton in the very next sentence (isn’t that a contradiction?) Anyway, it’s nice to know that people actually bother to read the shit I post.

In keeping with the spirit of your column, I’d like to add my own little holiday fungoo to one Andrei Kirilenko.

I didn’t really trust Kirilenko coming into this year (I had been burned by him last year) Problem was, no one else in my league did either. When he subsequently dropped to the end of the third round (!) in our draft, I felt compelled to select him.

Well, any AK owners reading this now know how well that turned out: mediocre start, the obligatory ankle sprain in Milwaukee, and the uncertain timetable for his return.

But as bad as these past few weeks have been, the future looks even grimmer. With the Jazz having gone undefeated in his absence, I’m sure Sloan is in no rush to get him back. The team is really clicking now, so why would he want to upset that chemistry by inserting a subpar Andrei into the mix? Of course, he will play when healthy - but what will his role be? This is clearly Boozer and Williams’ team now, so how will AK adjust to being relegated to the supporting cast? Will he still get 35+ mins/gm?

I don’t foresee this taking a turn for the better. I’ve floated a few trade offers out there but nobody has been in the least bit interested. And, even if the worst case scenario comes to pass and he winds up seriously injured or seriously ineffective, I couldn’t even drop him as he’s on Yahoo’s “Can Not Cut List.”

So, Andrei Kirilenko: Thanks… for NOTHING!

03
alex
November 23rd, 2006 5:34 pm

yo i followed your logic and reasoning and drafted marbury in the 4th as well. i thought he’d be a nice complementary PG2 with bibby who doesnt dish as much.

i read an article off the realgm wiretap and i’m still holding onto some hope. there’s no other option really, cant drop the guy. but yeh anyway, isaiah’s tellin him to get back to playin like starbury and marbury himself said that he’s been tryin to play so he could accomodate his team mates. dunno how this will go but seriously, cant be any worse than he’s already playin. hang in there DM.

04
November 23rd, 2006 11:18 pm

I was about to do a Steph hate post, but that was good enough for me!

05
rich
November 24th, 2006 12:25 am

Marbury owners, we might have a reason to rejoice… read this article that just came out about four hours ago:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11232006/sports/knicks/stephon_freed_to_be_starbury_knicks_marc_berman.htm

Apparently, Marbury was given the green light by Isiah to start shooting like crazy - he wants Marbury to take over the offense.

06
rich
November 24th, 2006 7:16 pm

I should’ve known better, Marbury follows up his media promise by taking 4 shots in 3 quarters.

07
DM
November 25th, 2006 7:56 pm

Hmm, seems like the New York Post was a bit off in its reporting. WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT?!?!?!

Think Kevin Martin thoughts, think Kevin Martin thoughts, think Kevin Martin thoughts….

08
rich
November 25th, 2006 8:00 pm

Alright, I’ve had it. 0 shots now, 4 assists. I thought it was a steal when I traded for you a month ago for just Mo Williams and Mobley, I really did. I’m going to send him off to the free agency land, who do you guys think I should grab, Villanueva, Marvin Williams, or Simmons? Marvin Williams certainly had a ton of hype… any reasonable estimates of what he could potentially do this year?

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john
November 26th, 2006 5:19 am

am i moronic for thinking of trading FOR marbury right now? Marbury’s owner in the league is going nuts right now, his pg’s are marbury and claxton. I have 5 pg’s: felton, alston, nelson, francis, jack. Im currently in the bottom rung, so there is an incentive for me to pull a high-risk trade. firstly, will there be a light at the end of the tunnel for marbury owners? secondly, what would it take to pry marbury off your hands?
i find it strangely surprising that people would oftentimes opt to drop a player rather than trade him to an opponent with a “buy-low” offer.

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bublitchki
November 26th, 2006 11:21 am

John:

Short answer: Nobody likes getting suckered.

If I accept a lowball trade offer that ultimately works out to the other party’s benefit, that’s much more embarassing than if I drop that same player and pick up a stiff off the wire. The former scenario accords the other owner bragging rights over you for the rest of the year while the latter scenario is your screwup alone.

The other reason is one of simple choice. With the lowball offer, I am locked into accepting or rejecting the one or two players offered whereas if I go to the wire, I have my choice of dozens of potential options.

Having said that, you should still try and make a run at Marbury if you believe he can turn it around. Judging by the comments on this board, you might be able to snag him for a 7th-8th round caliber player. Just don’t be too surprised if he turns you down.

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rich
November 26th, 2006 1:46 pm

I would have wanted a 6th-8th round talent for Marbury, or a struggling 4th-5th. However, when I noticed there were several players (though injured) of this caliber talent just sitting in free agency, it was easy for me to bite the bullet and dump him.

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