Andris the Giant

With all due respect to my main men Kevin Martin and Deron Williams, there can be no question that the breakout start of the first month of this NBA season has been Andris Biedrins. Martin and Williams were at least on everyone’s radar coming into the season, while Biedrins wasn’t much more than afterthought. In our defense, Biedrins has been a longtime FBB favorite – I think we’ve actually been referring to him as a longtime FBB favorite for more than a year now. We first took notice in March of his rookie season and pegged him as “the sleeper” on the Warriors  — last year. We didn’t think he’d earn the trust of Don Nelson, but that obviously hasn’t been the case. Not only has he earned his trust, but he’s become perhaps the most consistent member of the team.

So what can we make for Biedrins. There was some wacky talk in the comments the other day, talking about taking Biedrins in the 2nd or 3rd round and Rich even said he would consider taking him at the end of the first round. Folks, let’s settle down here just a bit. There’s plenty of season left this year before we need to start determining next year’s draft positions, but I can tell you that Biedrins shouldn’t be taken in the first round. He’s obviously an extremely valuable commodity in keeper leagues and would probably be one of the most untouchable players at this point, although rules in those types of leagues vary so much that it’s hard to say that definitively. So let’s concern ourselves with this year. If you have Biedrins on your team, you got him for free. You swooped in and plucked him off the free agent list and have been enjoying the ride. All of this production is a bonus. So the big question is what to do with him.

I always like to compare players to other players, it helps puts things in context. And here’s who I think that Biedrins is becoming – the player that we thought Samuel Dalembert was going to become. Biedrins’ offensive skills are still very raw. He doesn’t need much of a game since he has such a nose for the ball and manages to get himself easy shots, which leads to his obscene 65% from the field. But as his equally obscene 43% from the line shows, he is not a good shooter. His biggest assets are obviously in boards and blocks, and he is certainly the real deal there. We’ve been envisioning a 13/11/3 blocks with decent steals from Dalembert, and Biedrins averages this year are . Yes, he exploded for 31 points in that 140-129 shoot out against the Nuggets, but has topped 14 points in just one other contest. He is not an offensive force, especially on a team with guys like Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, Monta Ellis and Troy Murphy. Those guys are taking the shots (and lucky for Biedrins, they miss enough for him to clean up). But the blocks and boards are certainly for real. Biedrins is an extremely smart and athletic player. He only grabbed five boards and two blocks last night, but he has 11 games of 10+ boards and 15 games of 2+ blocks, including six of 4 or more.

It would be folly to ignore the free throw issue, though. After shooting an impressive 9-for-11 over the previous three games, Biedrins was back down to 1-for-4 last night. You’ve seen him at the line, it ain’t pretty. He might have good nights, but it’s pure luck. He has attempted 161 free throws in his career and drained 68 for 42%. Think of him as Ben Wallace at the line. He’s a worse shooter than Shaq, but not nearly the volume, and since he’s not fed the ball like Shaq, he won’t hurt you that much. But make no mistake, he will hurt you there. In H2H leagues, any player with a one category deficiency can be worked around, but in roto leagues they are really tough to handle. When you draft a player who is a big drag in FT%, you have to build your roster accordingly. Smart owners can do it easily, but it’s certainly something that needs to be done.

So, let’s bottom line it. I view Biedrins as roughly a 4th round value at this point, but call it 4th/5th since he hasn’t proven it over a long spell. He’s still very young and will be inconsistent; there are very few players in the league that aren’t top offensive options on their team that aren’t inconsistent. It’s not a flaw specific to Biedrins, it’s just how it is. Some people may look at Biedrins like last night – 9/5/2 with 2 blocks – as disappointing, but in a way I see it as encouraging. I’m just as interested in players on their off nights as their on nights. That’s when you can really tell what a he’s made of. If this is an off night for Biedrins, then there’s reason to feel good about him. I mean, it sure beats Kevin Martin’s 2-points and nothing outing from the other night. Biedrins’ 31-point explosion will be his season high, but he’ll get enough dunks to flirt regularly with double digits. It’ll be easy to say that his minutes might dip when everyone on the team is healthy, but is that really going to happen? Troy Murphy, Jason Richardson, Baron Davis, Mickael Pietrus and Ike Diogu have already missed time, so let’s not treat this as an inevitability. Enough waiting for Sammy D to be the next shot blocking machine who does enough to finish top 50 overall. Biedrins looks to be that guy instead.

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S
November 30th, 2006 9:53 am

I’m bitter I didnt jump on the chance to pick up Andris Biedrins, and instead hung on to Josh Childress. I felt I was good at C with Howard, Yao and Okur. Now I’m wondering if I shoudl pick up Shaq since he’s out there on the FA list. Actually, here are some of the guys on the FA list in my league (10 team H2H)

Walton
Battier
Shaq
Dunleavy
Lue
G. Hill
Mobeley
Stackhouse

My last 2 on the bench are Tinsley (for plug-in ASTs) and SAR (nice position flexibility). Would you pick up any of the guys listed above for these guys?

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bublitchki
November 30th, 2006 10:15 am

A good, solid analysis and no doubt a welcome antidote to some of the more overheated Biedrins hype around here (of which I, too, am guilty).

However, you neglected to mention what I feel is THE key factor in assessing Biedrins’ future prospects:

He just turned 20 years old in April.

Although he has two full NBA seasons under his belt, we’re looking at a 20 year old kid who is getting starters’ minutes for the first time. So, far all intents and purposes, this is essentially his rookie season. And, like any other rookie, he’s going to take his lumps. But, as I noted in an earlier post, he’s also exhibited remarkable growth in very short order.

That’s why I think the Dalembert comparison is setting the bar much too low. I remember reading somewhere (Hollinger maybe?) that most prep-to-pro players continue to show improvement until age 23 after which they level off. I have no idea if that’s really the case, but if it is then Biedrins’ has three more years to polish his offensive game, cut down on his fouling, and- yes - improve his FT% to at least a level we can live with.

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November 30th, 2006 10:40 am

Good stuff, DM. I do think there is a propensity for fantasy GMs to ignore the “warts” of the latest hot pickup - whether it be a center who can score 16 a game but only grabs 5 boards and doesn’t block shots, or a guard who’s averaging 12 points and 7 assists but doing it on 33% shooting from the field with 3 TOs a game.

Yes, they can help your team, and there are few players that don’t have some sort of weakness in their game, but with the “hot pickup” guys I find competing GMs are much more likely to discount those weaknesses and focus only on the big numbers in one or two categories. Whenever I pick a guy up like that I try to trade him for a less-flashy but proven fantasy commodity. Of course, there are always other factors like age, team, and minutes that come into play.

Maybe it’s human nature to focus on the good - towards the end of last night’s Rockets-Suns game the color commentator repeatedly referred to Rafer Alston and Luther Head as being “on fire” because each of them had made a few consecutive threes during the game. In reality, though, the two of them finished a combined 11-for-30 on the night.

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Rook
November 30th, 2006 11:15 am

Sorry to ask an unrelated question. Haven’t seen a Detroit game this year yet. What’s up with Rasheed Wallace? Are his big man categories (FG%, rebounds, blocks) going to stay above his career norms because he’s playing closer to the basket with Ben Wallace’s departure? Or do you think he’ll revert to last year’s 6.8 rebounds a game, 43% FG%, chucking 5.4 threes a game? I could really use this year’s version on my team.

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rich
November 30th, 2006 12:19 pm

Well, I got taken out of context a bit there, since I even pointed out that it was too early to think of him that highly, but IF he were to keep him up, he would be a great second to third round value.
The big knock, his FT%, was what I said he had to fix before becoming a potential late first rounder. Note that when I wrote that, he had hit over 76% of his free throws for the past week. People have proven over time that even the ugliest form can consistently make shots (see Shawn Marion, Kevin Marin this season)

Anyways long as he stays in Nelson’s favor, he’ll be getting a ton of minutes, which of course is vital to fantasy greatness. It’s not at all unreasonable to assume that with some minor offensive development (assuming his recent play isn’t a fluke), he could average 15-18 ppg next season. I’m not suggesting he’s overly offensive talented now, but he will get a ton of free points from dunks off of passes from Ellis/Davis and the expected putbacks high energy players like he tend to get.

Ben Wallace in years past has been a 2nd-4th round pick, depending on league type. I don’t see why Biedrins, a 20 year old seemingly monster rebounder and shot blocker, with more offensive talent, couldn’t be reasonably drafted at at least those rounds. If he eliminates the free throw shooting flaw (which it looks like he won’t, I finally got to see his form, but hey like I said, form isn’t everything) then he’d be dominant enough to consider in the end of the first round.

Again, this is ALL assuming he maintains his current ridiculous pace, and this still remains to be seen.

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rich
November 30th, 2006 12:21 pm

Well, I got taken out of context a bit there, since I even pointed out that it was too early to think of him that highly, but IF he were to keep him up, he would be a great second to third round value. The big knock you mention, his FT%, was exactly what I said he had to fix before becoming a potential late first rounder. Note that when I wrote that, he had hit over 76% of his free throws for the past week. People have proven over time that even the ugliest form can consistently make shots (see Shawn Marion, Kevin Marin this season)

Anyways, as long as he stays in Nelson’s favor, he’ll be getting a ton of minutes, which of course is vital to fantasy greatness. It’s not at all unreasonable to assume that with some minor offensive development (assuming his recent play isn’t a fluke), he could average 15-18 ppg next season. I’m not suggesting he’s offensively talented now, but he will get a ton of free points from dunks off of passes from Ellis/Davis and the expected putbacks high energy players like he tend to get. Since the Warriors score so many points, hey, it could happen.

Ben Wallace in years past has been a 2nd-4th round pick, depending on league type. I don’t see why Biedrins, a 20 year old seemingly monster rebounder and shot blocker, with more offensive talent, couldn’t be reasonably drafted at at least those rounds. If he eliminates the free throw shooting flaw (which it looks like he won’t, I finally got to see his form, but hey like I said, form isn’t everything) then in my opinion, he’d be dominant enough to consider at the end of the first round.

Again, this is ALL assuming he maintains his current ridiculous pace, and this still remains to be seen.

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DM
December 1st, 2006 7:34 am

Sorry to be late with replies, lemme see if I can get to everything real quick.

S, I’d probably drop SAR (who I like, but the numbers have been pretty ordinary) for Battier, who has sneaky value and should only get better.

Rook, Sheed is definitely adapting his game a bit to make up for the loss of his fellow Wallace. He may be a hothead but he’s also one of the smartest and most versatile players out there. That said, he’s getting back into the habit of launching 3s and I think that the shift away from last year’s numbers is a bit of a trend, things will even out.

And as for Biedrins … it’s true that he’s only 20 and the sky may very well be the limit. I think that his offensive upside may be as limited by his teammates as his actual talent, though. I was mostly focusing on his outlook for this year, too, but it is a bit hard for me to see him becoming a 20 ppg player with a stroke that ugly. We’ll see. Love the guy, that’s for sure.

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