Playing Scout

Fantasy basketball is all about the numbers, but that doesn’t mean you can just look at the box scores and know what’s going on. You really do need to watch the games so you can see who’s playing well, who plays well together, what each team does well, etc. That said, even with the NBA package, you can’t watch every game. It’s obvious that I watch every Wizards game, but when the Wiz aren’t on, who do I watch? Well, it shouldn’t be too surprising that I end up watching lots of games featuring my top players. I mean, it’s always nice to have a rooting interest, right? So since I watch my players a lot – and since I have a lot of the more interesting players from the season’s first month on my team – I thought I’d give some scouting reports so you can know these players beyond just their numbers. You guys can play along, too. Most everyone out there has to have a hometown team that they watch all the time, or they watch their own players all the time. So chime and give us the good stuff. I’ll probably report on some other players in the near future.

Kevin Martin
Martin has cooled down lately, but this was to be expected. I mentioned in the comments the other day how I saw him as a Richard Hamilton-type with more 3s and I’m sticking to it. A lot of people focus on his weird release for his shot, and it’s true, it is weird (like lots of players on my team, it would seem), but that’s just how it is. It’s what works, don’t let it affect your judgment of him. If he slows down, it’s not because he has a weird looking shot. Martin’s a scorer; he’s not going to rack up many boards or assists, those will come based on how many minutes he plays. But he can definitely score. He’s got a really quick first step and draws lots of fouls this way, which helps explain how he gets to the line so often. His favorite move this year is driving into the lane and then taking a one-footed fadeaway jumper that he often gets fouled on, and he’s fairly accurate with it. He can also nail the open 3. He moves well without the ball and here’s where Brad Miller’s return is going to help him. Miller is the team’s best passer and he’s been finding Martin on backdoors a few times a game. Martin needs these easy buckets to help keep his FG% at a high level, as even though he’s a good shooter, pure jump shooters just don’t shoot 50% on the season.

On defense he commits reaching fouls too often and gets manhandled when he has to guard bigger players. He’s been avoiding foul trouble for the most part, though. He acts as a rover on defense a lot, coming on help and sometimes this is how he gets his steals. One interesting thing I’ve noticed is that Mike Bibby almost never passes the ball to Martin. The assist numbers don’t really bear it out, as at 6 per game Bibby’s right where normally is, even a bit higher, but he’s chucking it a lot more this year it seems. Or maybe I’m just noticing because he’s not passing to my boy Kevin Martin. In any case, Bibby has looked very bad early on, not that this is much of a revelation. It’s not just that he’s taking lots of shots, but fade away jumpers from the corner with 16 seconds on the shot clock. No wonder he’s a long way from 40%. My final verdict on Martin is that he should be a viable mid-round-value fantasy option all year, but he needs help from his teammates to get involved, and sometimes guys like Bibby and Ron Artest aren’t the best helpers. Also, John Salmons seems to have won over Eric Musselman, Francisco Garcia gets minutes and Ronnie Price is starting to assert himself, so minutes might start being at a premium. He’s been over 40 minutes in two of his last four, but under 32 in the four others. I drafted Martin in the 8th round and while it was definitely great value, I’m pretty sure he’ll end the year being merely a very good value.

Zach Randolph
Remember my rationale when picking Randolph in the 7th round? It was basically that the Blazers had nobody with any history of being a serious scorer in the league and that Randolph would have no choice but to score. And that’s exactly what’s happened, and there’s really nobody in the league better suited for the role. Carmelo Anthony is the only other player that has as single-minded a mission to put the ball in the basket every time he touches the ball. Randolph’s a bulldog on that lower block, and he can work his way to the basket better than just about anyone. Sometimes he gets enamored with his jumpshot and sometimes he gets too hung up on taking his defender to the basket, and this is when he’ll throw up those 10-for-25s. But he never loses his confidence, that’s for sure. He passes out of double teams, but those rarely lead to assists. He’s like the ultimate ESPN bottom line player. You see that 31 and 13, but then you see it came on 11-of-26 shooting with 1 assist, no steals and no blocks and it’s not nearly as good. But this is no surprise with Randolph. He has absolutely no interest in playing tough defense, and all of his steals are by accident.

Should we be worried about his knee issues that arose for the first time the other night? Sure, but don’t freak out about it. He might experience some discomfort and miss a game or two, but Randolph is without a doubt a legit 20/10 guy when he plays. I was hoping he might hit a few more 3s this year, but that doesn’t seem to be the case, but that’s actually a good thing. I was thinking he might because he wouldn’t be able to bang down low as much, but he’s as strong as ever down there. It would be nice of some of his kickouts turned into assists and if he didn’t force quite as many shots. The 20/10 with 80+% from the line on tons of attempts are great, but he needs to keep that FG% in the 46-48 range to maintain top 50 value.

Tayshaun Prince
I was excited to get Prince in the 9th round this year, and his early results have quite nice. And it’s all due to one thing, and that’s 3s. Prince attempted between 1.7 and 2.2 3pg in the past three seasons, but is up to 3.3 attempts per game this year. He’s hitting at a ridiculous rate – 47% – which is sure to come down, but as an owner, I just hope he keeps launching. It looks like it’s becoming a more permanent aspect of his game, as he’s taken at least 4 attempts in 5 of the last 6 games. He needs the 3s, though, because his defensive game is seriously lacking, at least for fantasy purposes. Prince is still a very solid defender, but he hasn’t been going for steals at all, with just 5 total on the season. That’s piss poor. It will improve because it’s simply hard to play 36 mpg and get that few steals, but my hopes of Prince being a 1/1/1 guy seem very unlikely to be fulfilled.

But the career high in points is going to stick. Prince is 26 and is in the perfect “career year” territory. The absence of Ben Wallace didn’t leave many extra points, but it left plenty of extra boards and Prince is picking up the slack there, not afraid to get under the basket, as evidence by his 6 rpg. He’s definitely a bigger part of the offense and everyone knows to look for him in the corner when he has an open 3, and he’s certainly not shy about taking it. Perhaps it wasn’t exactly what people who drafted Prince were expecting, but we’ll definitely take it.

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Terrance
December 7th, 2006 8:38 am

great column. great breakdown on kevin martin, ive seen the two nationally televised kings games this season and i didnt hear any of the announcers break martin down like you did. they mostly concentrated on his funny shot.

when i watched it, i also noticed that bibby doesnt pass to martin much. martin does crash the boards, hes not big enough to do damage, but its nice to see him crashing when the ball is in the air. hes got good fundementals and most his shots come within the offense.

you mentioned there being more to the box scores than numbers. i agree completely, this is why im not worried about martin. the kings are bad, they probably wont make the playoffs. let me show the last 6 games that kevin martin has played and the final score.

phx: 27 min L 102-127
orl: 42 min L 89-92
SA: 43 min L 98-100
Dal: 20 min L 90-109
LAC: 23 min W 93-80
Por: 32 min W 105-85

recently the kings have been winning big or getting blown out. go check the first 11 games of the season and youll see that those games were close. the only exception here is the terrible off game that he had against the clippers. 1-8 fg 2 points, zeros everywhere else.

when the game matters, martin will be in the game, salmons has won some trust, as well as garcia like DM said. but theyre not getting first team minutes, other than salmons some times. right? thats my breakdown from the two games ive seen and the box scores.

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December 7th, 2006 9:04 am

Terrance,
I’ve watched a lot of Martin’s games and agree that when the game is in doubt Martin gets heavy minutes. As long as the Kings can end ther recent string of blowout losses/wins, Martin will be fine in the minutes department.

I’m optimistic, since the bottom half of the Western conference is very competititve - i.e. there’s not much difference between the teams like Nuggets,Clippers,Hornets, Warriors, Wolves,Sonics, Blazers. The Lakers should come down to earth, too, once they actually have to play some road games.
So there should be plenty of close games to go around…

An injury to the (sometimes) ball-hogging Artest or Bibby, would definitely help Martin as well.

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OB
December 7th, 2006 9:53 am

I have a question. I have jason richardson…what do I do with him? And what do I expect from him in the long run if I keep him…

What can I trade him for if I do…?

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trafalgar
December 7th, 2006 10:45 am

Would you trade Kevin Martin for Andre Iguodala? It’s a 12-team H2H standard 9-cat league, and I have a glut of guys who can score and shoot three-pointers with good percentages–Martin, Barbosa, and Terry (the good percentages are as yet theoretical with Terry). But I need a little boost in the rebounds and assists, while still keeping good percentages and steals. Iguodala seems to fit the bill….?

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Jeremy
December 7th, 2006 11:11 am

If you can make the trage for Iggy, then go right ahead and do it. Iguadala is a triple-double threat, sort of an under developed Lamar Odom in that sense. He’ll hit threes, play defense, and get some assists. When AI goes out, as he does ever once in a while, Iggy looks really strong, and I don’t expect Martin to go on a stronger tear than how he started out the season. I got Martin in like the 10th round and Iggy is probably like a 4/5th rounder in most leagues.

But yeah, I’d definately do it is I was getting Iggy back.

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Terrance
December 7th, 2006 11:31 am

how about martin for caron butler? my opinion is that butler and iggy are pretty much the same value

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trafalgar
December 7th, 2006 12:18 pm

Thanks for the opinion… I think I’ll offer that trade.

I own both Martin and Butler, and It would be *really* difficult to pry Butler away from me. I see on the player raters that he’s rated about 41 or 42 (much lower than Martin and about 10 spots lower than Iguodala), but I absolutely love him and his consistency (his game last night was his first “bad” one in a looooong time).

Maybe I’m just saying that because he’s a great fit for my team–I’m punting blocks and turnovers, and he contributes in nearly every other category. Please note that he does turn the ball over a lot. But he’s a fantastic FT shooter.

Anyway, I would trade Martin for Butler (depending on team needs, as always).

OB: regarding Richardson, I would guess that his trade value is very low right now, with the injury and the way he’s been playing WHEN he’s been playing, and of course Don Nelson. If you’re able to keep him for a while to see if he regains form either to keep him or trade him, that’s would i would do.

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DM
December 7th, 2006 2:04 pm

As much as I love K-Mart, he’s not in the same class is Iggy or Caron. If you could get either of those guys for Martin, it’s pretty much a no-brainer.

As for J-Rich, I’ve found that dealing players when they are out — even if it’s a day-to-day thing — really brings down their value. You’re better off waiting until he’s at least back on the court.

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arpit
December 7th, 2006 2:57 pm

is chuck hayes worth a pick up just for his boards. Will he continue to start, get minutes, and produce. or should i pick up al jefferson who is the only big guy left in boston. I’m dropping perkins, who was a disapointment.

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DM
December 7th, 2006 3:38 pm

Al Jefferson, without a doubt. I’m disappointed with Perkins, too, I picked him up after he was dropped when Ratliff started that one game and he got solid boards and blocks but never really made much of an impact. Oh well.

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rich
December 7th, 2006 6:24 pm

If anyone cares, Marvin Williams has been cleared to play tomorrow - if you want him and he’s somehow still a FA, better grab him now.

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cman
December 7th, 2006 6:45 pm

Particularly in regards to the topic of the day - what do you guys think about Terry? Overall he hasn’t been awful and I’m happily in first place even with him under performing. But I can’t say I’m not concerned a bit - he hasn’t hit the 20 point mark in a month. 3 of the last 6 games didn’t even see him score 10 points. It’s not even the scoring though - he just doesn’t seem to be getting the ball to take shots. I’d be happy if he upholds 15 pts, 4 assists, 2 3’s, and a steal. But if he falls off to 10 pts a night like he has been for the last 2 weeks, it’s gonna start hurting me. Barring injury, do you think his numbers will perk up a bit, or do you think he’s becoming an afterthought in that offense unless they need 3’s?

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notcool
December 7th, 2006 9:27 pm

Someone is offering Boris Diaw+Zach randolph for my Rashard Lewis. I am in 10 teams R.league. Right now, I am weak on the ast/steal/block side

It’s always good to have 2 to 1 trade but it cannot help to improve my weak stats. I also need to drop someone

Any suggestions?

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arpit
December 7th, 2006 10:18 pm

guys i just made the best trade ever. I just sent this guy an offer with me giving away lebron and rafer for the big ticket kg, and chris bosh. I mean lebron for kg is fair and then aslton for bosh is just insane. I sent it and i didn’t hope for it to get accepted so i was going to offer lebron and deron williams. I had been looking to trade lebron, not that i was dissapointed, but i needed boards and now i got em. I just didn’t want to lose pts, ft% and all the scoring cats like fgm, ftm, and some of the %. This will help my ft% also. I think that i am in line to beat the number one team.

Ok… enough of that, who do you guys think is worth looking to trade for, for stls and ftm (tos dont matter cause i will never win that). i am looking to unload my assists for some of those stats. I have tj ford, mo williams and brandon roy. I also have deron, monta, jack but i want to keep them unless the trade is one sided. I was thinking guys like caron butler. If you guys have any ideas thanks.

Also how did the nets and suns game go for 320 points. Thats crazy. I had one guy in that game, and the guy i’m playing is a suns fanatic and had nash, bell, diaw, barbosa, and also kidd on the nets. Kidd is a beast and i have a lot of respect for him. 38, 14, 14 will hurt me but its all good. If only the warriors had some games like this.

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