C-Webb. C-Webb Get Bought Out. C-Webb Find a New Team. C-Webb Have Fantasy Value?

It was only right for the 76ers to bring an end to Chris Webber era. It wouldn’t have been right for the fans to have to suffer watching him drag that leg up the court while AI was running wild in Denver. It was clear they couldn’t trade him, so simply clearing him out was the least horrible scenario, which is how it goes with Billy King. So now C-Webb’s a free man, still getting close to $20 million this season and free to sign with another team for another few million. Maybe he’ll give that extra money to charity since he’s a good guy. Ha. Anyway, now that Webber is out of Philly, the big questions for us are – where will he land and can he be a fantasy asset again?

Those two questions obviously go hand in hand. Webber put up 20 and 10 last year, and you don’t just lose it that quickly. He looked bad at the beginning of the season, yes, but Webber can still put up numbers. But he needs to be featured and play lots of minutes to put up those numbers, and that doesn’t look like it will be the case on whatever his next team will be. Webber can basically choose which uniform he’ll wear next and he’s picked five finalists for his services – the Heat, Pistons, Mavs, Spurs and Lakers. We don’t often like to speculate on rumors here at FBB but since this situation is so cut and dry – he will go to a new team, extremely likely one of those, and that team won’t have to give up anything to acquire him. So let’s take a look at what might happen in those situations.

(On a side note, while Webber is going through this whole ordeal, how about fellow former Fab Fiver and Bullet Juwan Howard playing like its 1996 down in Houston? After tonight’s 23 and 11 he’s averaging 16.8/8.3/2.4 on 50% shooting in his last eight, numbers he’s never been able to put up while in Houston. And Dikembe Mutombo … man.)

Detroit
The Pistons seem to be the clear frontrunner for his services, so we’ll spend the most time on them. It makes plenty of sense, with Webber returning home to a team that has certainly lost something with the departure if Ben Wallace. Replacing him with Webber is ironic just about every level possible, but the Pistons need help in the front court. Nazr Mohammed hasn’t been all that bad when he’s been on the court, but Flip Saunders clearly doesn’t trust him, and after a stretch of four straight double-digit scoring games around Christmas, he’s done it just once in his last six contests including a donut in 11 foul-plagued minutes tonight. Meanwhile Rasheed Wallace and Saunders are in some sort of weird power struggle where Saunders benched ‘Sheed for being late to practice and ‘Sheed came back with, “Well maybe I want to come off the bench.” So Jason Maxiell seems to be the starting power forward for the time being. Antonio McDyess has been awful this year, as well.

The main positive about a move to Detroit is that the team has proven that it can have five reliable fantasy options. Not every team is built that way – on San Antonio, for example, nobody except Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili will have value. But the Pistons have done it for a few seasons now. I also see Webber fitting in rather easily. The Pistons main guys are all very experienced, smart players, like Webber. I can’t see him having much of a problem adjusting to playing with Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and ‘Sheed. He stands a good chance of seeing at least 30 mpg in this environment, although that would seem more likely if Wallace moves back into the starting lineup, which should happen sometime in the not too distant future.

I do sense that going to Detroit could get ugly, though. Saunders doesn’t seem to have much control over his team and bringing in another very opinionated superstar could create tension if things don’t go well. But in the East, it would be hard for things not to go well. A starting five of Billups/Hamilton/Prince/Webber/Wallace isn’t out of the question, but even if they aren’t out there at the beginning of the game, that unit could be on the floor plenty. A Webber arrival might be more bad news for Wallace owners, and it also could mean that Prince’s modest bump in his numbers could fall. But it’s not like the Pistons would re-shape their team to fit C-Webb. The key would be Wallace. It would be hard to see them bringing both ‘Sheed and C-Webb off the bench, so if Webber could somehow work his way into the starting lineup, he would certainly have some value.

Miami
Webber would fit right in on a team that seems to be collecting players who peaked last decade. This would seem to be another decent fit for Webber. Alonzo Mourning is probably going to need some rest when Shaq gets back, so there could be some bigs minutes for Webber to grab. Antoine Walker and Udonis Haslem are around to compete with, but Webber on his game even at this point in his career is an upgrade over those two. Consistency isn’t likely to be a strong suit though, especially with Shaq around.

San Antonio
I really do think that the main three guys on San Antonio are the only ones who can have value on that squad when they are all healthy. And I don’t think Webber’s arrival would change that. And it’s hard to see San Antonio actually wanting to deal with Webber when they’ve mostly been looking for a swingman.

Dallas
Can’t see much of a fantasy role for Webber here, either. Dirk is the guy at the 4 in Dallas, so Webber would be in a bench role along with fellow crappy ex-Wizard Jerry Stackhouse. The Mavs are getting to be a bit like the Spurs in that the offense is highly regulated and regimented, with Dirk, Josh Howard and Jason Terry being the main beneficiaries, although Devin Harris has his usefulness as well. Webber would be a complimentary piece, not much more.

Los Angeles
Well, the Lakers certainly have fewer sure things than most of the teams above, and until Lamar Odom comes back there isn’t a clear #2. Again, though, Webber and Odom play the exact same position so that would seriously limit the minutes for C-Webb. Once Odom is back to full strength he’ll be out there 40 minutes per night again, and it’s possible they could man the 4/5 at times, and that would give them two of the best passing big men around.

It will be interesting to see if Webber can adjust to a secondary role, because that’s what he’ll have to do wherever he lands. Throughout his career he’s always been one of the main guys and has liked it that way, but now he’s seeking teams on which there are plenty of established stars. He doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy who would gladly accept a 20 mpg off the bench role, but on any of the above teams that might be what he’s best suited for. It’s always easy to get excited and hope for the best in an unknown situation like this, and if you’ve been holding onto Webber for a while you’re obviously going to continue to do so. But it will probably take him at least a few games to get acclimated to a new team, and by that point it will have been more than a month since he’s helped your team at all. And think of all the people you could have snagged on the free agent list during that time. So just hope the end result is worth the wait.

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ic
January 11th, 2007 10:47 am

forget about webber, what do you guys think about this boykins for blake deal?

should i run to pick up boykins for instant points?
will blake instantly become a top 20 point guard?

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DM
January 11th, 2007 10:51 am

Boykins has no choice but to score a lot, especially over the next few weeks with Mo Williams out. He should continue to put up numbers like he was in Denver recently, I’d guess. I’m not sure Blake fares so well, especially when Melo’s back in a few games. Denver’s a great fit for him, but he should be back to his 15-20 mpg off the bench role that suits him best.

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JM
January 11th, 2007 11:21 am

That’s weird that the Bucks wanted Boykins. One shoot first point guard (mo williams) wasn’t enough?

In related news, the Bucks should be a very ugly team for the foreseeable future.

I went ahead and added Patterson after his monster game, and he promptly had the type of game I had dreaded when I added him…

Don’t get me wrong, it’s great that he’s gonna get 35-40 minutes for the next month or so, but my reasons for concern were demonstrated loud and clear last night:

1) He’ll be taking extra FT and really start to hurt you there
2)He’ll be racking up tons of TOs
3)His stellar FG% could drop since he’ll take more difficult shots as he tries to carry way too much of the offensive load (hopefully Boykins will help with that)

Lastly, the other main stat that I picked him up for (aside from FG%) - steals - he ended up with ZERO in last night. How frustrating!

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terrrance
January 11th, 2007 11:34 am

just traded danny granger for david west. yahoo released a column about west injury not really being an injury and more about inflammed tissue around his elbow that had to be removed. my team is weak at center and can afford to lose the 3’s. i like the trade and think it will fit my team well.

also, i dropped garbajosa and bit on mutombo until yao gets back. sucks because i couldve had al jefferson and mark blount (had both and dropped them), but didnt want to drop garbajosa. oh well, does houston play mutombo with yao when yao comes back or just back to fantasy irrevelency as i expect? is mutombo trade bait?

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terrrance
January 11th, 2007 12:10 pm

as a mo williams owner, im not too disappointed. mo a natural two and will still split time at the 1 until the bucks are healthy, if thats this season…who knows.

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Tommy
January 11th, 2007 3:53 pm

I’ve got a problem with my fantasy team. My team is pretty well rounded, but my biggest weakness is my FT%, and ast and the only player i am willing to ship is andrew bogut. do you have any players in mind that equal his value?

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bv
January 11th, 2007 4:15 pm

tommy, sounds to me like you need a point guard … guys you should be able to get for bogut include tj ford or maybe jason terry.

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terrance
January 11th, 2007 7:36 pm

just traded lebron for baron davis and elton brand. i threw in j nelson to make it a 2-2 because i was dropping nelson anyways.

i like the trade, brand is higher on basketball monster for the season and davis is just behind lebron.

i know i have injury issues with davis, but forget it, i think its a decent deal even if davis goes down. its a H2H league too!!!! so i pick up huge contributors and in h2h its all about games played and how good yr bench is, my worst player is brad miller.

well, it could be miller, do i drop david west for brad miller? i have the # 1 waiver, so hes mine if i want him

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[…] Also, after much speculation, Chris Webber was bought out by the Sixers. TrueHoop has a great summary of Webber, his story, and on what team he might end up on. And Fantasy Basketblog sums up the fantasy implications of those possible locations. Personally, from a pure fantasy standpoint, it’s not going to get much better for Webber than the 76ers. If you held onto him for this long, a trade might be worthwhile. […]

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rich
January 11th, 2007 8:32 pm

If Webber goes to Detroit, I like the fact it almost ensures Sheed will get back his C-eligibility, as I doubt they would bench both Webber and Sheed to play Maxwell, Mohammed, and McDyess. Also, with Webber starting, this could free up Sheed to take more outside shots, cutting into his rebounding at the cost of more 3s.

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Matt
January 12th, 2007 7:44 am

What do you do with Troy Murphy?

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Andy
January 12th, 2007 10:43 am

Matt, Murphy’s value is pretty limited right now. He’s only getting 20 mpg, and in those 20 minutes he’s obviously not doing much. I haven’t seen any GSW games lately, but from what I’ve read he looks even slower on the court than usual due to the Warriors’ style of play, and he’s not a favorite of the coaching staff. Plus, the Warriors have a ton of dudes who love to shoot (Davis, Ellis, Pietrus, Richardson, Barnes).

These factors aren’t likely to change soon, so although his value may improve somewhat as he recovers from his foot injury I just don’t think Murphy will ever get the chance to be the fantasy contributor you would expect unless he gets traded. If he’s not getting many shots, Murphy just doesn’t do much for you. He’ll rebound consistently, but there are probably guys in your FA pool (Gerald Green? Rasual Butler? Matt “I don’t miss free throws” Carroll?) that will be better overall contributors than Murphy.

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Matt
January 12th, 2007 11:34 am

Thanks, I appreciate the help. That’s what I was thinking too. It also seems unlikely that anybody will run to grab him.

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[…] Chris Webber, PF - Why not start here?  There are a couple of things to consider with Webber, and DM covered some of them last thursday, but let’s revisit now that he’s in Detroit.  Concern number one has to be minutes.  There should be no illusions here - Chris Webber is here to help this team win a championship.  Championships are not won in February.  As long as the other four stay healthy, and Webber provides at least something, Detroit should run away with home court.  Even if they don’t, Flip Saunders will have to keep a tight leash on Webber’s minutes.  Why play the guy 35 mpg and wear him out by playoff time?  To expect any more than 30 mpg out of Webber given his health and the situation he’s in is probably unreasonable, but that could change with concern number two: His drive.  Webber was clearly unhappy in Philly, but you know what?  He was unhappy last year and still put up almost 20/10.  So I don’t think this is a Vince Carter situation here - I think Webber is legitimately hurt and legitimately old and is physically incapable of putting up 20/10 again or playing 35-40 mpg anymore.  Then, there’s concern number three: his fit with the club.  Webber showed in Philly that he can produce in multiple systems, and that should be the case here.  His assist rate fell while playing next to AI but this year he’s been back to his typical per-minute passing numbers, and that should keep up in the free-flowing Detroit offense.  Much like in Sacramento, he’ll be surrounded by four guys who can take and make 20-footers, so his assists will be there, though the points might not.  So we’ve established that he won’t play more than 30 mpg, he’s hurt, but he’ll pass well.  Let’s guess a line of 13/8/4 with a steal, a block, and decent %’s.  That’s utility player sorta numbers right there.  There’s one other wild-card here, though: Center eligibility.  Should he gain it, he’s definitely a top-20 center.  The rumor is that he’ll be a “center” here, and with Rasheed Wallace not qualifying at the five, he could certainly be eligible there after a few games.  I think that’s where his “sneaky” value lies, and that’s why I’m saying VERDICT: BUY. […]

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