Late Greats - The Old Bums

OK, so not every late pick we recommend is going to be exciting.  But sometimes you need roster fillers who you can plug into those utility slots.  None of these guys have top-50 potential or anything but all of them could top out in the 70’s or 80’s if a few things go right and if you can get them in the 10th, 11th, 12th rounds, then you might have gotten some sweet value:

Wally Szczerbiak
Wally World was sort of an afterthought in the Sonics offseason what with Rashard Lewis leaving, Ray Allen getting traded, and Kevin Durant and Jeff Green showing up.  But it wouldn’t surprise me to see him lead the Sonics in scoring this year.  People are always hesitant to draft him because of the injuries, but once you’re drafting your utility and bench guys, what are you really risking?  He’s talking the way that fantasy players like, too:  “I’ve had a couple of tough years with surgeries the last two seasons,” he said at Sonics Media Day. “That’s something I’ve got to do - just stay healthy. When I stay healthy, I can be a pretty good player in this league. That’s my focus this year.”  He’s still got great percentages for a long bomber, and he can contribute a bit in boards, but the points and 3’s are where Wally will leave his mark.  He may have fallen a bit too much on people’s draft boards, and should definitely be drafted.

Steve Francis

Here’s what we know about Stevie Franchise: 1. When he’s unhappy, he’s a bad player.  2. When he’s happy, he’s a good player.  3. He’s happy in Houston.  4. One time I saw him outside the Whole Foods in Silver Spring, MD.  The minutes are certainly going to be an issue but for the first time in his career he had a legitimate chance to decide where he wanted to play and he went right back to Houston.  He’s only 31, and while he was hideous in New York last year, the year before, in Orlando, he put up 16/4/5 with a steal.  It’s tough to know how much of a step he’s lost but he’s really only a year and a half away from being a top-50 player, so he’s a decent risk to take if you can get him late.

Troy Murphy
Now, I owned Murphy for much of last year so I know all about how that went: badly.  But he was so dependable over the previous few seasons that it’s not at all unreasonable to think he’ll come back this year and be a 14-10 guy with a three a game.  He’s got a new coach, which should help, and he’s had all summer to get used to his new teammates.  Plus, Jermaine O’Neal is always an injury risk and that could give Murphy’s value a bump.  This actually isn’t at all a question of talent or ability - at 27, Murphy is in his prime - it’s just a matter of minutes.  It’s also worth noting that while his other numbers dipped in conjunction with his loss of PT last year, his 3PT numbers stayed the same, so he’s showing a bit more of a willingness to fire it up from the arc.  It looks like he’ll still qualify at C as well, which will help his value a bit.  I like Murphy as a bounce-back candidate this year.

Mark Blount
Seriously, who else is going to play center for the Timberwolves? He’ll still see plenty of minutes, might play a bigger role in an offense where he and Ricky Davis are the only vets, and the guy has played in 80+ games in each of the last five seasons.  He’s not going to blow anyone away but he qualifies at C and was at 95 on the TPR last year (129 on the APR) and he’s a fine 3rd center, despite all of his faults.  Don’t be embarrassed to take him in the last few rounds of the draft.

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JM
October 18th, 2007 10:56 am

A few other late round vets you may consider:
Derek Fisher
Grant Hill
Ruben Patterson
Bobby Simmons
Brevin Knight
Joel Przybilla

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October 18th, 2007 12:05 pm

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Rook
October 19th, 2007 6:01 am

No Tim Thomas, if he’s playing Elton Brand’s minutes?

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Rook
October 19th, 2007 10:12 am

Grant Hill is another old guy — might do well in PHX.

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alex
October 20th, 2007 6:35 am

of the rocket guards - james, alston, francis and head - who are you most comfortable drafting? and rank em. seems to me that alston and head are getting drafted whilst francis you can still find on most waiver wires - so i drafted alston and will be prepared to scoop up francis later

also - alston vs jason williams? its more like playing time vs health.

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play
October 20th, 2007 3:56 pm

alex,

dont draft any of them. But if you must, id go with alston that is it. He’s still starting, at least in preseason games. The reason i think houston wants so many guards is because after years of experiencing tmac’s unstable health, they need insurance. But with mac healthy, good luck with any one of those guards.
I would think Jason williams has more upside, reason being he’s also a starter and he has only parker to compete minutes with.

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O
October 21st, 2007 9:29 am

Hey guys,

Nice to see you all back this year. My league has 14 teams this year and my luck i got 14th pick. Anyways i drafted as below in that order. It would be nice to get your views…

Chris Paul(NO - PG)
Andre Iguodala(Phi - SG,SF)
Tracy McGrady(Hou - SG,SF)
Antawn Jamison(Was - SF,PF)
Zach Randolph(NY - PF)
Charlie Villanueva(Mil - SF,PF)
Samuel Dalembert(Phi - C)
Eddy Curry(NY - C)
Mike Conley Jr.(Mem - PG,SG)
Jarrett Jack(Por - PG)
Corey Brewer(Min - SF,PF)
Hakim Warrick(Mem - SF,PF)
Jeff Green(Sea - SF,PF)

By the way, the league has following positions…

PG, SG, G, PF, SF, F, C, C, Util, Util and 3 bench.

The league also counts TOs and even 3pt %s.

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play
October 21st, 2007 12:25 pm

O,
Your team consist of one true shot blocker in dalembert, I would punt that category and trade for another high assist player, complementing your assist guys- cp, ai, mac, conley, jack. Your three point shooting is weak right now, must add some free agents. Zach Randolph is in a messy situation in new york, thats just my opinion. There are simply too many scorers in NY compare to portland.
And big eddie curry? oh boy your freethrows looked okay until you drafted that guy, why? Your rebound was already healthy you didint him! Charlie V was another bad one, if you can somehow get value out of him in a trade do it asap. Bucks front court is way too stacked.
Why draft AI when you drafted a low turnover pg in CP3? Why not complement him with another round 2 player who has low turnovers?

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Tim
October 21st, 2007 4:42 pm

Hey all:

I drafted again this year and wanted your feedback:

12 man roto - 9 cat settings (tos included), picked 11th

PG: kidd (second)
G: Redd (3rd)
SG: J. Johnson (4th)
SF: J. Rich (5th)
F: R. Artest (6th)
PF: A. Harrington (7th)
C: Yao (1st)
C: Kaman (8th)

Util: Milic (10th)
Util: Murphy (didn;t know he was hurt - 11th)

Bench: Law IV, C. Atkins, Maxiell and Belinelli

How did I do? What should I target - I think I a little weak on assists, steals and percentages - but seems solid team to me…

am I right or wrong?

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play
October 22nd, 2007 1:29 pm

Tim,

Your squad looks legit. Weakness perhaps in assits unless Law contributes. But there is no way any one can cover EVERY category in a draft, so I think you did well. Reb, blocks, threes are all fairly strong, steals you have kidd artest jj jrich so its actually decent. If darko can average at least 8,8,2, you have a fairly solid team. What happend to your 9th rounder?

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Jeremy
October 22nd, 2007 1:57 pm

I just did a draft. Anyone want to comment. I’m not too happy with my picks 9+, as all the players I wanted ended up getting taken. I’ve determined a top pick is worst. The best is the end of the first round where you can get a top tier PG and C or two top Centers immediately. Anyways, here’s what I got:

1. (3) Shawn Marion SF,PF
2. (22) Chris Bosh PF,C
3. (27) Vince Carter SG,SF
4. (46) Emeka Okafor PF,C
5. (51) Kirk Hinrich PG,SG
6. (70) Mo Williams PG
7. (75) Andre Miller PG
8. (94) Brad Miller C
9. (99) Jamal Crawford SG
10. (118) Drew Gooden PF
11. (123) Al Thornton SF,PF
12. (142) Grant Hill SG,SF
13. (147) Travis Outlaw SF,PF

I’m a little weak in 3’s and blocks in my opinion, and Thornton gets weak if Brand comes back. Marco Belineli is available but Kelena Azibuke is playing a lot and that is without Monta Ellis in the lineup. Anyways, what do you think?

I think Drew Gooden will play more minutes this year if Anderson Varejo doesn’t come back in play. The boost from 28 to 35 minutes could mean a big fantasy boost. Anyone?

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Jeremy
October 22nd, 2007 2:07 pm

with the emergence of martell webster (already drafted) do you think that dorrell wright would be a better chance than travis outlaw? Portland also has james jones to throw in there.

Anyways, as I mentioned, looking for some 3s and blocks (I think, but feel free to correct me). much thx.

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Jeremy
October 22nd, 2007 2:11 pm

Or perhaps Joel Przybilla instead of outlaw? hmm. thanks again.

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Tim
October 22nd, 2007 2:37 pm

Thanks for the advice -
I didn’t miss my ninth just mislableed.

I agree that I have a weakness in assists… hopefully Law’s hands get better… also my FG% may be a problem with Kidd’s horrendos shooting and Richardson’s bad numbers… still hopefully I can stay middle of the road there.

It is amazing the difference between Kidd and Nash in that regard - Nash is soo much better than kidd - wish he slid to me!

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Jeremy
October 22nd, 2007 4:32 pm

Well Kidd does have better rebounding and defense, which often doesn’t translate into stats for his team. Nash also has a ton more help. I wonder how Kidd would do if you plugged him into the Suns lineup.

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Jeremy
October 22nd, 2007 6:55 pm

Tim, I agree that you will need more assists to avoid being at the cellar of the category. I would have liked to see you go for a PG in the seventh round of a guy like T.J. Ford were available.

The real problem is that your 3rd-7th round picks were all swingmen (either SG, SF or tweener Al Harrington). You usually have to go BPA for the first few rounds, but if possible, I’m a huge fan of only drafting PG and Centers for the first four rounds. In rounds five and six you can find a guy like Mike Miller or Ricky Davis to sit in the SG/SF slot.

The drop off in talent between elite Centers and lesser ones is severe, so it’s best to grab the top ones early. In my draft earlier, if I could have had the last pick of the first round, I would have gone: Amare/CP3 and then Al Jefferson/Allen Iverson.

The next round I would have a choice of people like Rasheed, Luol and Odom. Obviously three are needed to be picked up, but essentially my point is that good C1’s and PG1’s are rare, and it’s best to have two of each and then go for the middle of the road swingman who might give you 16/5/3 instead of a top tier guy who might give 24/6/5. The difference isn’t that much compared to a center who gives 22/11 instead of 9/9.

The factor really is FG percentage. The first few players you select make the most impact. I top player who has a high FG percentage can really help your team because he takes so many shots. Top big men tend to have good FG%, and if you can find them with good FT% (Chris Bosh, etc.) then all the better.

I’m starting to like my team more, especially when I compare it to most of the teams in the league that it’s in.

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Ray Recca
October 22nd, 2007 10:58 pm

Hey guys! I just drafted tonight. 10 team H2H league. 9 categories including turnovers. The format is PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, C, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN

1) Gilbert Arenas
2) Amare Stoudamire
3) Baron Davis
4) Marcus Camby
4) Joe Johnson
6) Jason Terry
8) Sami Dalembert
9) David Lee
9) Tayshawn Prince
10) Acie Law IV
11) Wally Sczerbiak
12) Jameer Nelson
13) Juan Carlos Navarro

Overall, I think I my team is pretty balanced. The only think I see possibly wrong with my team is it has some High Injury risk players (Amare, Baron Davis, Camby, & Joe Johnson). But High Risk, High Return. I think i pulled the trigger too soon on Baron Davis, but the only tier 1 point guard left at the time was chauncey billups…so I gambled with baron davis. I actually had 3rd pick overall, and I took gilbert over kobe. I also traded my 5th and 7th round pick to another manager for his 4th and 9th round pick. I took Marcus Camby and J. Johnson with my two 4th round picks, and I took dalembert in the 8th and D. Lee and T. Prince both in the 9th round. Just wanted to get your thoughts on my team…..let me know if you see some obvious holes. Thanks guys!

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Nageek
October 22nd, 2007 11:54 pm

hey guys, i was wondering what you guys thought of my team. we play h2h, with TO and 12 teams. i think im going to punt blocks.

(3) Kobe Bryant sg
(22) Andre Iguodala SG,SF
(27) Vince Carter SG,SF
(46) Antawn Jamison SF,PF
(51) Mehmet Okur PF,C
(70) Andre Miller PG
(75) Richard Jefferson SF
(94) Jameer Nelson PG
(99) Chris Kaman C
(118) Charlie Villanueva SF,PF
(123) Elton Brand PF,C
(142) Jason Maxiell SF,PF
(147) Marvin Williams SG,SF

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Jeremy
October 23rd, 2007 1:19 am

Nageek, you will be hurting for rebounds as well. To be honest I really don’t like your chances, especially with the big men and centers you have.

Ray, very solid first six rounds. Some injury risk yes, but all of those guys could have top-30 value easily enough. I think there might be better players from pick 10+ however, so that is something I’d scour the waiver wire for.

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Tim
October 23rd, 2007 5:15 am

Jeremy - I think you are ebing unrealistic

Amare went right before me = I picked yao - someone else then took cp3 and Rashard Lewis (weird) leaving me needing to either go for a center - could go camby or duncan or take kidd who is a top point guard - I opted for kidd…

For picks 3 and 4 Jefferson was gone (went early 3rd) and Iverson (who I was targeting went the pick before mine…. I suppose I could go with Baron Davis but In my opinion Redd and Joe Johnson are better, after me went Davis, Okafor, McGrady, Deng, Durant, Josh Howard, Kevin Martin, Durant and Barbosa.

As for picking up TJ - He went in Mid sixth - I am happier with Artest and Richardson… but I would have picked him if he fell to seventh.

My only point is that many of these leagues seem to be done with crazy people who are picking insanly - for example… take Recca - I know it is H2H but….

Arenas and Amare… Camby in the fourth, J. Johnson in the 5th…. please….

How is that possible? My draft is 12 guys who know what they are doing (I was lucky Richardson fell so far to the 5th round… my team is alright - I do need assists - i will try to work some trades to pick up a TJ or maybe take TInsley off WW or Alston (both are there now) and try to make it work… ALso maybe Ace Law will give some assist value…

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dave
October 23rd, 2007 6:41 am

I have missed this site. I should have begged a couple weeks ago for a Tier evaluation of all positions, but I made do with what I had.

Over the past two seasons I have been decimated by injuries and have had terrible times filling the PG and C position with decent players. So I went into this draft thinking, I am not drafting a Camby / Davis type player. I also was committed to overstocking those two positions, and I did it. The only thing is I look at my roster and I’m not sure what my bread and butter categories are. I am going to try and do some trades as most guys are terribly light at C and PG, but I can’t decide what categories I should try and win, and which I should punt. I think my team will win REB, AST, FG%, and Blks fairly consistently, but that may be it? I think I will get crushed in 3PT & FTM. I play H2H

1. (1) Kevin Garnett (PF/F)
2. (24) Chauncey Billups (PG/G)
3. (25) Allen Iverson (PG/G)
4. (48) LaMarcus Aldridge (F/PF/C)
5. (49) Tyson Chandler (C)
6. (72) Andre Miller (PG/G)
7. (73) T.J. Ford (PG/G)
8. (96) Andrew Bynum (C)
9. (97) Luke Walton (F)
10. (120) Mike Dunleavy (G/F)
11. (121) Nenad Krstic (F/PF/C)
12. (144) Marvin Williams (G/F)

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Jeremy
October 23rd, 2007 7:40 am

Tim, sorry didn’t mean to come off harsh. I also didn’t notice Atkins being on your team in addition to Law. However, outside of Kidd and JJ (to a much lesser extent) you can’t rely on your guys for assists, which could be of concern. You don’t really have much of a PG2. However, I agree that I like the players that you picked, I just don’t know how well rounded it will end up being. That’s what sometimes sucks about being the corner pick in the draft too.

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Jeremy
October 23rd, 2007 7:44 am

Dave, not a huge fan of the AI pick at that spot, it may have been better if there was a good big available, or even a SG…take the BPA at that spot. I think LMA might be a bit high too, but can support the 5-7 picks as good. Again, not a fan of the Bynum and Walton picks, but Dunleavy could be a steal with Indiana’s new offense, and Krstic shouldn’t be lower on the player rater than where you drafted him. Marvin has shown signs of life this preseason, so hopefully he’ll keep it up. 3PTM might be a concern for you. You’ll get them from Billups and Dunleavy in bunches and occasionally from Walton, Ford and AI. But usually PGs make more from long distance that AI, Andre or T.J. do, and Marvin isn’t helping at the swingman spot either. Just a thought. If it’s H2H it doesn’t matter, it’s an easy category to punt.

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Tim
October 23rd, 2007 3:34 pm

Thanks to all for their help

I am trying to get TJ or maybe Miller to fit my team… but do not know what I can realistically trade for them… I suppose I could do a two fro two wher I give Artest and something like Atkins for an Andre Miller/TJ and a lesser forward…

do not know…

Also who should i drop to pick up tinsle3y - maybe bellinelli? maybe atkins?

ANy help is appreciated - I also did not mean to come of harsh - IL OVE THIS SITE!

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Ruyun
October 24th, 2007 5:14 am

hey guys i just did my yahoo 12 team 9 cat roto league. heres my team

(10) Yao Ming
(15) Jason Kidd
(34) Allen Iverson
(39) Joe Johnson
(58) David West
(63) Andris Biedrins
(82) Stephen Jackson
(87) David Lee
(106) Nenad Krstic
(111) Darko Milicic
(130) Delonte West
(135) Ruben Patterson
(154) Wally Szczerbiak

i was very happy with my first 5 picks. after that im not too sure. i think my weaknesses are 3’s, TO and FT%.

guys on waivers include Nocioni, Herrmann (dont know how good he will be this year), Mike James, Kenyon Martin, Belinelli. im hoping delonte west and Szczerbiak and at least have some fantasy relevance. especially if Szczerbiak can start hitting 3’s id be very happy.

I also wanted to target a guy like rasheed wallace, or a ricky davis, danny granger, roy do anything type of guys in trades.

what do you think?

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Ray Recca
October 24th, 2007 6:10 am

Thanks everyone for your comments. My draft was a little crazy (especially trading draft picks 5 & & for an extra 4 & 9), but that’s why I like playing in a 10 team league as opposed to a 12 or 14 team league.

I like the Wally pick. The last time he was healthy (2 years ago) he averaged 20 pts a game. Someone else beside K Durant has to score in seattle.

What are your thoughts on Ronnie Brewer. Some people have listed him as a sleeper. It looks like Jerry Sloan is starting him in every preseason game. I’m gonna wait until I see how many minutes he gets once the season starts. His only downside is he hits NO three’s.

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Jeremy
October 25th, 2007 2:33 am

Like to rethink the value of Ricky Davis and Blount now that they’re on the Heat? Both would seem to have considerable lower value.

Also, this means that Minnesotta must be planning on running Jefferson at Center a ton, and his value shoots through the roof with the lack of bigs on the roster now. Craig Smith also has value now too (might he start?)

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alex
October 25th, 2007 5:37 am

looks like ratliff will start at C for ’sota - dunno if he’s worth a pick up, might be slightly more valuable than say zo…

davis’s ceiling lowers a bit now that he’s in miami, altho for all of you in roto leagues he’ll still be money until wade gets back into shape. im guessing similar numbers to when he was playin 2nd fiddle to garnett.

i dont see how blount’s value really changes, he was locked in for PT for the wolves anyway.

i have higher hopes for brewer now - with davis gone he moves up in the scoring pecking order. after big Al, it’ll be up to him and foye to score buckets.

thats just my take, the experts havent been on this site for a week now…

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Andy
October 25th, 2007 10:20 am

I’m not sure Davis’ value is going to go down all that much. I thought the same thing initially since he would no longer be the main option like he was in Minny, but look at the Heat’s roster. It’s pretty much devoid of scorers as well. Who’s going to take shots away from Ricky? Shaq will get his, of course, but Al Jeff would have done the same. After that you’ve got… uh… Dorell Wright, who has been horrible in the preseason and might lose his starting job to Daequan Cook? J-Will? Not really a scorer. Smush Parker? Penny Freakin’ Hardaway? It’s pretty much the same situation as Minny until Wade comes back, and Ricky will Get Buckets and help in multiple cats without hurting you too badly anywhere, as he does.

When Flash does come back it is likely to hurt Ricky’s fantasy value - his points, assists, and rebounds will likely decline somewhat, although I am guessing his FG% and 3’s will go up as he will get more open looks. Still, even then I think he’ll remain a good fantasy option because I think there will be a limited number of games this season where both Shaq and Wade are healthy. Let’s not forget that Wade is trying to come back from both knee AND shoulder surgeries, the timetable is still very hazy, and his style of play makes him liable to miss even more games after his return (can’t you just see him landing sideways on that surgically repaired shoulder after a drive to the basket?). Shaq is 35, has missed 65 games in the last two years, and is already nicked up in the preseason. When one or both of those guys are out, Ricky will be a stud. When they’re both in, he’ll still be solid.

Davis has basically gone from a great fantasy situation in Minnesota to a very good one in Miami. In my opinion, I think he’s a buy if his owner is freaked out about him losing value from the trade.

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dave
October 26th, 2007 10:49 am

1. Fellahs where are you? I’m being productive at work and that is no good.

2. I got a trade offer that I am really considering

My Team: 1.
(1) Kevin Garnett (PF/F)
2. (24) Chauncey Billups (PG/G)
3. (25) Allen Iverson (PG/G)
4. (48) LaMarcus Aldridge (F/PF/C)
5. (49) Tyson Chandler (C)
6. (72) Andre Miller (PG/G)
7. (73) T.J. Ford (PG/G)
8. (96) Andrew Bynum (C)
9. (97) Luke Walton (F)
10. (120) Mike Dunleavy (G/F)
11. (121) Nenad Krstic (F/PF/C)
12. (144) Marvin Williams (G/F)

Garnett / Bynum for Kobe / D. Granger

I think I improve dramatically in points, 3’s, FTM, steals.

I reduce blocks and rebounds, but I still think I’ll be competitive in those. Any thoughts?

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Jeremy
October 26th, 2007 12:28 pm

I don’t know. Granger will certainly provide better value than Bynum, and Kobe could rate out higher than Garnett. BUT, I like having lots of versatile options to play at Center so you aren’t stuck if one of your guys gets hurt for a few weeks. You’d be left with LMA, Krstic and Chandler to play C, not to mention you need to fill the PF position nightly as well. But with Ford and Miller at PG you definitely won’t get the 3’s from them.

Is this H2H or roto?

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dave
October 26th, 2007 12:54 pm

It is H2H - we play PG/SG/F/PF/C/Util/Util/Bench with a daily rotation.

I think we play standard scoring, except we add Turnovers/FTM

If I do this I do have a stable of PGs that I can trade for a decent big if I need it down the road…
i.e. something like a Ford/Miller for Bierdrins/BWallace kind of trade.

Without the trade I have boards/blks/FG%/Asts locked up every week, and will likely lose points/3pm/FTM/steals, the toss ups would be FT%/TO (4-4-2)

I think with the trade I am getting 3/FTM/FT%/steals/Assists losing TO/blks and the toss ups would be Pts/REB/FG% (5-2-3)

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Matt
October 28th, 2007 12:28 pm

Hey guys,

Here’s my team:

1. (11) Josh Smith G,F
2. (14) Pau Gasol F,C
3. (35) Kirk Hinrich G
4. (38) Michael Redd G,F
5. (59) Raymond Felton G
6. (62) Al Harrington F,C
7. (83) Stephen Jackson G,F
8. (86) David Lee F
9. (107) Morris Peterson G,F
10. (110) Jamal Crawford G
11. (131) Antonio McDyess F
12. (134) Grant Hill G,F
13. (155) Ronnie Brewer G,F
14. (158) Andray Blatche F

Keep in mind that PGs were going fast!

Any thoughts?

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Tim
October 28th, 2007 2:22 pm

Hey all

Just finishe dmy second draft picked 8
12 team roto - nine category tos included

pg: Arenas (yes he fell) (1st)
g: Tj Ford (5th)
sg: Ben gordon (7th - weord I know)
SF: Durant (4th - I mayu have reached)
f: AK (6th)
PF: boozer (3rd)
C: DUncan (2nd)
C: Dalembert: (8th)

Util: Gay (9th), Walton (10th)

Bench: BRand (11th), Scola (12th), Ace Law IV(12th)

How did I do - where do I need help

let me know

thanks - as always love the site!

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Jeremy
October 28th, 2007 3:26 pm

Tim,

Not too bad. I think FG% might be an area of concern with guys like Arenas, Gordon, Ford, Durant on the team. Don’t know what was available at the Walton pick and don’t know if I love it, but it should be alright. But you’ll figure out where you need help soon after the league starts.

I’m posting my second draft in a minute as well.

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Jeremy
October 28th, 2007 3:27 pm

Okay everyone, here is my 2nd draft, please leave comments about how you like or dislike it, or what needs improvement, though I think it’s okay.

Anyways, the league is 10-teams, FUNKY categories, but the commissioner said he’d change it to standard 9-categories. Here it is:

1. (8) Gilbert Arenas PG
2. (13) Tim Duncan PF,C
3. (28) Baron Davis PG
4. (33) Carlos Boozer PF,C
5. (48) Mike Miller SG,SF
6. (53) LaMarcus Aldridge PF,C
7. (68) Corey Maggette SG,SF
8. (73) Samuel Dalembert C
9. (88) Rudy Gay SG,SF
10. (93) Brad Miller C
11. (108) Delonte West PG,SG
12. (113) Nenad Krstic PF,C
13. (128) Grant Hill SG,SF
14. (133) Martell Webster SG,SF

Basketball Monster really helped, and I would have killed the draft using the strange categories since I configured the rankings to it.

Any suggestions are appreciated. Thx.

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matt
October 28th, 2007 4:32 pm

hey guys can i get some input on my team too? i’m pretty sure i over thought and therefore butchered my draft. 10 team league 9 cat (to’s included). i had the 6th pick:

1. (6) Dirk Nowitzki PF
2. (15) Chris Paul PG
3. (26) Gerald Wallace SF,PF
4. (35) Michael Redd SG,SF
5. (46) Manu Ginobili SG
6. (55) LaMarcus Aldridge PF,C
7. (66) Mo Williams PG
8. (75) Samuel Dalembert C
9. (86) Stephen Jackson SG,SF
10. (95) Rajon Rondo PG,SG
11. (106) Luis Scola SF,PF
12. (115) Udonis Haslem PF
13. (126) Kenyon Martin PF

from what i can figure i’m short on points, great in steals, and mediocre in everything else. that seem right? what should i do?

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Andy
October 28th, 2007 10:22 pm

Jeremy, really like that team. I’m not a huge Baron fan but he’s worth a shot there if he plays like last year. Boozer at 33 was a steal IMO. Picks 5-11 are all value guys that I like to outperform their draft position. Krstic was another steal at 113 in a 10-team league IMO (what C’s were the other guys picking up?!?) and added to your already massive frontcourt depth. Hill and Webster are good endgame fliers. FT% will be a concern with Duncan, Boozer, and Baron but Maggette and Arenas will help keep you afloat. The only other issue I see is that in 3s and steals you have two guys who specialize in each category and not a lot after that (depending of course on some of your late picks blowing up this year). Still, you should dominate boards, blocks, FG%, and points with that lineup and compete fairly well in most of the other cats.

Matt, I like the Paul and Crash picks. I also think Rondo at 95 was a good get for your team. I do think Manu at 46 was a bit of a reach, not because I don’t like him, but I’ve seen him drop farther in most drafts and I think you would have been better served to address your frontcourt depth. It looks like you grabbed some PFs at the end of the draft but to be honest you really need to worry about your C’s. Dalembert is already hurt and it just seems like the type of injury that might linger. I own him too and am pretty worried about his health this year. LaMarcus I love (like most people) but he is also a definite injury concern. If I were you I would look to deal for/pick up another C if possible, even if it’s a lower-end guy because I can see your third C getting a lot of starts.

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Jeremy
October 29th, 2007 1:47 am

Matt,

I mirror Andy’s thoughts. It would be best to shore up your center position as you’ll want to always have at least 3 center eligible players for flexibility.

The trick is in the first five rounds. It is so appealing to take a guy like a Josh Smith/Gerald Wallace/Kevin Martin/Joe Johnson…you know swingmen from the 2nd-4th round value. But I don’t know if it’s ever the best move.

In the two drafts I posted, one of them has me drafting PG, C, PG, C, SF, C, SG, C, SF, C, PG, C, SG, SF. (Most of my centers are PF eligible). Essentially, it’s easy to find a guy in the mid rounds like Mike Miller or Ricky Davis who will give you good numbers than it is to find a PG or center.

In my other draft I hated my position and was stuck with taking Marion 3rd and then Bosh (C) and Carter on the flip. After grabbing Okafor to shore up my Center position I grabbed Kirk and then Mo Williams and Andre Miller to shore up the PG spot.

So yeah, for me I try and grab elite big men and PGs the most if possible because the big men help out SO much in FG%, Rebounds and Blocks while the PGs help out so much in Assists, Steals, and 3PTM.

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Jeremy
October 29th, 2007 1:57 am

BTW, time for my sleepers I want to keep my eye on in the draft.

Rudy Gay. Preseason has shown his continued athleticism with his ability for blocks and steals, and implementing the Suns offense will only boost his value quite a bit.

Andrei Bargnani. Assuming he gets center eligiblity, he should be good for decent rebounds and 3’s which are a plus from the center position. If you can get him in the mid-late rounds then look into it.

Andre Miller. Nothing spectacular but always outperforms his draft position and a great PG2 although lacking 3’s.

Grant Hill. Granted, he doesn’t shoot 3’s much, but will that change in Phoenix? He’s going in the last rounds of the draft and the Suns system makes fantasy superstars. If he starts and gets 30 minutes then he’ll have value.

Andrew Bynum. Apparently in great shape and could really outperform his draft position of about 100 if he wins over minutes and the starting role in LA.

Jamaal Crawford. If I’m getting near pick 90 and see that Crawford is on the board, you have to consider him. I can’t really recommend drafting anyone on NY due to their crazy rotations and coaching and loaded positions. But Crawford is about the only sure-thing and looking at his numbers pre-injury last year, he’ll outperform this spot easily.

LATE ROUND FLYERS:

Grant Hill (above)

Martell Webster. He’ll be the starting SF in Portland and has appeared to turn it on this summer after working out with the likes of Kobe and the Jay Abunssar camps. Look at his preseason numbers to see what I’m talking about. If he keeps it up he deserves to be on a team.

Craig Smith. Do you believe it. I think signs point to Minnesota starting Jefferson at center and Craig Smith at PF. If he starts and builds from his run late last season, he’s in line to produce 10/10 numbers and is worth at least putting in the watch list.

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Tim
October 29th, 2007 4:51 am

Love it someone dropped brad miller and I snapped him up

now I have

pg: kidd
sg: Redd
g: J. Johnson

SF: J. Rich
F: Artest
PF: Al Harrington
C: Yao
C: Kaman
Util: B. Miller
Util: Darko

Bench: T. Murphy, Acie Law, Bellinelli and Maxiell

now If I can package a center and Harrington for a supperior PF I would be set… anyways depth is good and Miller gives s(hopefully some nicer assist numbers which I need!)

people are dumb!

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matt
October 29th, 2007 8:11 am

thanks for you help guys. i am pretty worried about my c’s. mike miller was available when manu was but i figured manu does more overall than miller and i already had redd. amare nearly fell to me in the second round but some dude was autodrafting. oh well. thanks for the advice. i read your site every day. it’s great.

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Terrance
October 29th, 2007 9:15 am

So my friend finds mike conley jrs blog….scroll to the bottom, my friends name is black jesus

http://yardbarker.com/nba/articles/Going_back_to_Indianapoli s/32237

i loled

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Jeremy
October 29th, 2007 9:18 am

Tim,

Still not in love with Law, Bellinelli or Maxiell, but your starting lineup should do very well for you. That being said, Law could have value and Bellinelli could have great numbers if one or two teammates go down with injuries.

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Terrance
October 29th, 2007 9:19 am

the link cutoffabove because there is a space. So please just copy and paste the entire link. It should put the percent sign “%” between the i and s in indianapolis

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Andy
October 29th, 2007 10:13 am

Wondering who the best replacement for Bibby is in a 9-cat H2H league. Available options include Acie Law, Jason Williams, Jarrett Jack, John Salmons, and Damon Stoudamire. I know J-Will will produce when healthy but I am leaning towards Law because although he won’t help much in 3’s, I just can’t see him failing to get plenty of minutes for the Hawks and I think he’s capable of some pretty good fantasy numbers.

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Tim
October 29th, 2007 10:30 am

Thanks for the help…

I like stashing people on my bench who may blow up (maxiell or Belinelli) or may be solid if injuries help them (acie)

But I agree I am not expecting anything.

THe question I have is who should I try and move…

I thinkl having Miller, Yao, Harrington and Darko is alittle redundent. I would like to move J. Rich and Harrington for an upgrade (would help my %s - any idea who I should be targetting - I think maybe a boozer type player - just thoughts - getting Miller makes me very happy!)

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Jeremy
October 29th, 2007 4:54 pm

WELL, Yao and Darko are big in blocks, which Miller and Harrington won’t help if with. You do have decent depth with big men so you could move for a another swingman.

If you’re looking for someone to help with %, then Kevin Martin is a sure thing. Corey Maggette can really help you out at SF as well, and would be much easier to obtain. In reality, I think you’re weakest category is assists and you could really use a PG2. So I would look to try and get back a PG if possible. If the person who has Kirk Heinrich is loaded at PG make a play for him…otherwise I like Andre Miller and Mo Williams as guys you can get without giving up TOO much.

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Tim
October 29th, 2007 8:15 pm

THe most likely guy to trade with is the following team

pG: rafer
G: Iverson
SG: B. Davis
SF: Josh Smith
PF: David West
F: Diaw
C: Amare
C: Bogut
Util: Mo Williams
Util: Monta Ellis

ROndo, Thorton, Outlaw, Marvin Williams

SO he is loaded with Guards

He needs threes desprately (will finish last - and also need blocks - which is a weird way to draft with Josh Smith as your # 2 option) - he also needs points

I could try and move Darko and Redd for Iverson and Williams - not sure how I would be with blocks after that…

or I could try and move either Darko and Harrington straight up for Mo.

COuld try and move Harrington for Mo williams

Might actually be the best bet - gets me assists and I could play Darko at PF

but I like iverson on my team

If I could get Iverson and Mo for Redd and Harrington

my line-up would look like

PG: Kidd
G: Iverson
SG: J. Johnson
F: Artest
SF: Richardson
PF: Darco
C: Miller
C: Yao
Util: Mo williams
Util: Kaman

THat is pretty sweet I think

anyways let me know

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Tim
October 29th, 2007 8:31 pm

Actually I think he wouldn;t go for that but prob would do Iverson and Williams for Redd and Richardson

Keep in mind it is a TO league so i would take a big hit in TOs which bears consideration

but a line-up of

PG: Kidd
S: Iverson
SG: J.Johnson
SF: Artest
F: Harrington
PF: Darko
C: Yao
C: Kaman
Util: Mo williams
Util: Brad Miller

Might be pretty fine

FG% - it should be ok
FT% - ok
3 - Good
points - good
Rebounds - ok
Assists - excellent
steals - excellent
blocks - decent
TO - horrible

still that tema might be a first place team if I can swing it

Please let me know

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Jeremy
October 30th, 2007 4:24 am

I think you’re undervaluing your players. Harrington for Mo Williams is pretty fair, and I don’t like the idea of giving up Redd and Darko for Mo and AI.

Honestly, I’m not a fan of AI. Not great percentages and not good assists if he’s not playing PG. He’s the #2 option now, and doesn’t shoot that many threes. I wouldn’t advise getting him.

Usually you want to get back the “BEST” player in a trade, and Redd would be the case in this one. Mo is better than Harrington, but not by necessarily that much. If Harrington starts strong, a 1-for-1 swap isn’t out of the question.

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Tim
October 30th, 2007 7:21 am

Maybe

but the rankings on this site would disagree…
I am not sure in either case - I would do harrington for Mo but mayber I should wait until harrington has a good start!

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Jago
October 30th, 2007 6:43 pm

Hey guys, I’m in a 12 team league, 9-cat roto. I was auto drafted so I had to make some trades to balance my team.

I made a preseason trade of Deron/Haslem/Head in return for Joe Johnson and Corey Maggette. What do you guys think of the trade? I really didn’t want to trade away the assists, but I needed more 3’s, scoring and FT%.

I also somewhat reluctantly traded Rasheed Wallace for Kevin Martin, but I think his efficiency will net out as a better overall fantasy value.

Here’s my team now:

PG Jason Kidd
SG Kevin Martin
G Joe Johnson
SF Caron Butler
PF Tim Duncan
F Troy Murphy (trying to package in some trade)
C Samuel Dalembert
C Darko Milicic
Util Corey Maggette
Util Morris Peterson
BN Cuttino Mobley (trying to package in some trade)
BN Sam Cassell (Knight is available)
BN Theo Ratliff (Pryzbilla is available)

Guys I let go (damn autodraft):

Juan Dixon –> Darko Milicic
Derek Fisher –> Cassell/Knight (just dropped Knight)
Eddie Jones –> Morris Peterson

A few FA’s I’m eyeing are Travis Outlaw, Martell Webster, Kenyon Martin, Kapono

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Jeremy
October 31st, 2007 7:08 am

BTW everyone, if Martell Webster is still available in your league you better give him a quick look while you still can. He’s set for a breakout year.

I also think that Ronnie Brewer will be great (lots of steals, lacking threes).

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alex
October 31st, 2007 7:12 am

where are these authors… we’ve been on the site more than they have

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Jeremy
October 31st, 2007 7:12 am

I’m surprised Darko was available. Webster is worth a look. I think you could use some size, but I don’t think Ratliff will amount to much. Grab Webster or Outlaw as they’ll help you out.

And Martin should be higher value on the TPR/APR than Rasheed this year assuming anything like last year. Rasheed however is a big and I think it’d be great if you could acquire another quality one.

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Jeremy
October 31st, 2007 8:28 am

I love FBB, but as you can tell from my numerous comments, I’m antsy to start my own fantasy blog, and have been planning to do so for quite some time. But I need your advice picking out the name. Here are my two ideas:

Crash The Boards
The Fantasy Line

If you have other ideas, please let me know, and vote on your preference. The Fantasy Line is kind of generic, and the Crash The Boards has a good acronym (CTB).

Thanks for the help!!!

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Matthew
October 31st, 2007 10:23 am

Go with CTB…

Also, any thoughts on my team? Where I need help?

Here’s my team:

1. (11) Josh Smith G,F
2. (14) Pau Gasol F,C
3. (35) Kirk Hinrich G
4. (38) Michael Redd G,F
5. (59) Raymond Felton G
6. (62) Al Harrington F,C
7. (83) Stephen Jackson G,F
8. (86) David Lee F
9. (107) Morris Peterson G,F
10. (110) Jamal Crawford G
11. (131) Antonio McDyess F
12. (134) Grant Hill G,F
13. (155) Ronnie Brewer G,F
14. (158) Andray Blatche F

Keep in mind that PGs were going fast!

Any thoughts?

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Jeremy
October 31st, 2007 11:43 am

Matthew,

There are a few problems I see with your draft. Unfortunately, I feel that you took too many swing players in your draft. Look at your lineup. You only have 2 players who are eligible for PG and C (I’m assuming you start 2 centers). Not, you seem to have decent rebounding from the PF position, but I recommend having 3 C-eligible players in case of injuries or just to swap out and fill out your lineup.

I’m not a fan of the Morris Peterson pick. Granted, I think he’ll have better value than he did last year, but with Peja around who knows how long he’ll keep it up, and I like Crawford better. Blatche, Brewer and Hill were great late round picks.

In my blog I will discuss (sometime, it’s too late for this year I feel) my philosophy on how to draft given your respective draft position. I did two drafts this year, once with the #3 pick and once with the #8 pick, and my draft strategies were completely different based on who I took in the 1st and 2nd rounds (essentially it revolves around building a team).

My advise for you is to try and move some of your swingmen (Jackson? Peterson?) for another PG or C, both of which I feel you need.

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Matthew
October 31st, 2007 11:54 am

Hey Jeremy,

Thanks for the advice. We actually only start one center, three guards (it doesn’t matter what kind of guard), 3 forwards, and 3 utility guys and 4 bench spots.

It’s a little screwy, I know, but that’s why I only took 2 centers.

This might help explain my drafting a little better.

As for the Peterson pick…I messed up and I know it, especially with Mobley having been there at the time. He’s the one guy who I’ll likely drop first and instead, grab last year’s version of Mikki Moore or Nick Collison to fill another centre spot.

Any thoughts on who that might be? Also, do you think Blatche might get C eligibility?

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John
October 31st, 2007 1:28 pm

guys, i have a quick yet pressing question. Kind of a weird comparison, but who is going to have a better year: Marvin Williams or Ronnie Brewer? They are both late round picks, but often its these that end up giving you the extra boost. I don’t see williams as much more than a scorer and light rebounder, esp. with horford in town now. And I want to say Ronnie Brewer has the potential to put up numbers a la Tony Allen at his peak last year…whaddya say? Do I drop williams for Brewer?

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Matthew
October 31st, 2007 2:08 pm

John,

I would say that it depends on your needs, the type of league your in, and what positions you need to fill.

Williams is on a funny team that has a bunch of guys up front and he might lose some burn time because of it.

Brewer should provide you with decent percentages, points, about 2-3 assists per night (due to the fact that he has Boozer to finish) and 1+ steal per night. It’s the 1+ steal per night that’s the bonus, as it is a scarce fantasy category. Plus he’ll get a little more burn keeping him on the floor more.

Finally, look at their position eligibility in your league to help you decide. Position flexibility matters.

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EC
October 31st, 2007 3:20 pm

Hey guys, since we’re evaluating teams here…can you guys look at mine?

Gilbert Arenas
Joe Johnson
Kirk Hinrich
Richard Jefferson
Chris Bosh
Darko Millicic
Brad Miller
Anthony Parker
Samuel Dalembert
Hedo Turkoglu
Rashd McCants
Devin Harris
Wally Szczerbiak
Paul Millsap

Who are good guys to aim for in trades? Where do I need to improve the most?

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Matt
October 31st, 2007 6:38 pm

Hey,

Would you guys drop Mo Pete for Mike James?

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Jeremy
November 1st, 2007 3:17 am

EC,

The one area you’re probably hurting the most will be in FG% You don’t have that many bigs, especially not the variety that (1) shoot high FG% and (2) put up a lot of shots. This is what happens when you go small with several of your first picks.

As for where you need help, I think you might have some big man issues. I don’t completely trust Darko yet, and with injury concerns to Miller, Bosh and Dalembert, this may be an area of struggle for you this year.

One guy you may be able to sell-high is McCants. He’ll get lots of PT while Foye is out, and he should put up decent numbers until Randy’s return. Other than that, I’m not sure off the top of my head. You seem to be decent in categories like assists, 3’s etc. I would worry about the big man categories, whether due to injuries or not.

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Jeremy
November 1st, 2007 3:20 am

If Mo Pete gets back to his form from 05-06, and there isn’t a reason he shouldn’t, then he’ll have more value than Mike James. It’s a difficult situation. I don’t like playing people who aren’t starters on their own team (unless it’s Manu or Barbosa). With Francis, Brooks, Alston, and maybe even Head competing for PG time, this is a horrible time-share situation. Granted, I think they’ll use James as a spark plug off the bench. If James gets starters minuets then go ahead and use him…but I might wait it out a bit unless you’re that concerned James will be gone.

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