Comments on: Fair Return? http://www.fantasybasketblog.net/2007/12/17/fair-return/ A Fantasy Basketball Blog. Surprise. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:45:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: johan http://www.fantasybasketblog.net/2007/12/17/fair-return/#comment-32789 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:30:40 +0000 http://www.fantasybasketblog.net/2007/12/17/fair-return/#comment-32789 i offered jermaine o'neal and richard jefferson for boozer, and got turned down. so i offered the same guys for chris bosh and the guy made the trade. i don't think i got top value in the deal, but with rashard lewis, iguodala, caron butler, gasol, mo williams, andre miller, and rudy gay on my team, it didn't matter: i got what i wanted, a top tier pf/c who i'm more confident in than jermaine. and more playing time for guys on my bench (beno udrih, namely) who get me things jefferson won't. i offered jermaine o’neal and richard jefferson for boozer, and got turned down. so i offered the same guys for chris bosh and the guy made the trade. i don’t think i got top value in the deal, but with rashard lewis, iguodala, caron butler, gasol, mo williams, andre miller, and rudy gay on my team, it didn’t matter: i got what i wanted, a top tier pf/c who i’m more confident in than jermaine. and more playing time for guys on my bench (beno udrih, namely) who get me things jefferson won’t.

]]> by: don http://www.fantasybasketblog.net/2007/12/17/fair-return/#comment-32787 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:35:42 +0000 http://www.fantasybasketblog.net/2007/12/17/fair-return/#comment-32787 in my league, i dealt boozer and jamison for bosh and bynum and people were up in arms saying i was getting ripped off. i desperately needed blocks. i feel fine with the deal. people do seem to value boozer very highly. in my league, i dealt boozer and jamison for bosh and bynum and people were up in arms saying i was getting ripped off. i desperately needed blocks. i feel fine with the deal. people do seem to value boozer very highly.

]]> by: dave http://www.fantasybasketblog.net/2007/12/17/fair-return/#comment-32777 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:06:04 +0000 http://www.fantasybasketblog.net/2007/12/17/fair-return/#comment-32777 I agree I think the trade makes sense, and not even based on the indepth analysis provided above, but the biggest thing I saw in that trade was that the one guy was way down in games. He recieved 2 legit fantasy players, for 1, because Mobley is barely ownable. I'm not sure why guys think they should be allowed to veto a trade either based on "fairness". I just completed a trade and guys in my league were trying to veto it. I got D Williams/Kapono/Webster I gave M. Williams, T Outlaw, T Ford. We play in daily rotation H2H league and the guy I traded with has Arenas, J Rich, Peja, and Rashard. Honestly maybe I'm dreaming but on the surface I thought it was a fair trade, 3 guys that over the past month are around 70-80, for Deron and two Waiver wire guys. Even if you don't think it is fair though, the guy I traded with has way to many 3 chuckers so he gets rid of 2 guys that there only value is 3's (Kapono and Webster) & Since he has Arenas on the shelf for at least 2 more months he now has 3 viable players instead of 1. I think Deron's value is entirely in his FG%, and with the roster he's got he wasn't winning that category, playing a man down he can also win TO's easier and having Deron was not helping with that either. So overall I thought it was a great trade, but had to try and convince everyone. There is no point trading a PF that has 20/9/2 line for another PF that has a 20/9/2 line, so trades will not always be comparable. btw trade was eventually approved I agree I think the trade makes sense, and not even based on the indepth analysis provided above, but the biggest thing I saw in that trade was that the one guy was way down in games. He recieved 2 legit fantasy players, for 1, because Mobley is barely ownable.
I’m not sure why guys think they should be allowed to veto a trade either based on “fairness”.

I just completed a trade and guys in my league were trying to veto it.

I got D Williams/Kapono/Webster
I gave M. Williams, T Outlaw, T Ford.

We play in daily rotation H2H league and the guy I traded with has Arenas, J Rich, Peja, and Rashard.

Honestly maybe I’m dreaming but on the surface I thought it was a fair trade, 3 guys that over the past month are around 70-80, for Deron and two Waiver wire guys. Even if you don’t think it is fair though, the guy I traded with has way to many 3 chuckers so he gets rid of 2 guys that there only value is 3’s (Kapono and Webster) & Since he has Arenas on the shelf for at least 2 more months he now has 3 viable players instead of 1. I think Deron’s value is entirely in his FG%, and with the roster he’s got he wasn’t winning that category, playing a man down he can also win TO’s easier and having Deron was not helping with that either.

So overall I thought it was a great trade, but had to try and convince everyone. There is no point trading a PF that has 20/9/2 line for another PF that has a 20/9/2 line, so trades will not always be comparable.

btw trade was eventually approved

]]> by: Mase http://www.fantasybasketblog.net/2007/12/17/fair-return/#comment-32765 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:42:24 +0000 http://www.fantasybasketblog.net/2007/12/17/fair-return/#comment-32765 I actually think it's a pretty fair trade. Fair enough to not get vetoed. Boozer is a sell-high candidate on my list. I wouldn't put Boozer in the same realm as Yao Ming, despite the fact that Boozer is currently averaged-ranked as a first rounder. There are several reasons why I don't think Boozer will maintain his current value. First he is not a shot-blocker. In fact, he doesn't have any shot-blocking ability. A big man has to play very very well to be a first round player if they don't shoot 3s or block shots. Second, currently Boozer is averaging 1.4 steals per game, which is boosting his value. He's had 3 games which ties his career highs in steals (4) this season. Prior to this year he's only had two other games with 4 or more steals over the past 5 YEARS. I don't see Boozer maintain his 1.4 steals average, and that will drop his value. Third, Boozer's freethrow % is on the decline. He started out the season around 80+% but has since gradually dropped. He will likely end up in the low 70%. This will hurt his value as well. Another intangible factor that has nothing to do with stats is Utah has a terrible schedule towards the end of this year... including the fantasy playoffs. Utah has 14 games in the final 5 weeks (final 4 fantasy weeks since last 2 weeks are combined as one championship week). Compared to teams like the Miami Heat, which has 17 games during the same period, a guy like Udonis Haslem may seem like a much better deal than Boozer. In a 12-player league, I'd put Boozer at 3rd round. I'd place Yao Ming at least one full round ahead of Boozer at low 1st round to early 2nd round. If Yao can cut down on his turnovers he can become a legitimate 1st rounder. I actually think it’s a pretty fair trade. Fair enough to not get vetoed. Boozer is a sell-high candidate on my list. I wouldn’t put Boozer in the same realm as Yao Ming, despite the fact that Boozer is currently averaged-ranked as a first rounder.

There are several reasons why I don’t think Boozer will maintain his current value. First he is not a shot-blocker. In fact, he doesn’t have any shot-blocking ability. A big man has to play very very well to be a first round player if they don’t shoot 3s or block shots.

Second, currently Boozer is averaging 1.4 steals per game, which is boosting his value. He’s had 3 games which ties his career highs in steals (4) this season. Prior to this year he’s only had two other games with 4 or more steals over the past 5 YEARS. I don’t see Boozer maintain his 1.4 steals average, and that will drop his value.

Third, Boozer’s freethrow % is on the decline. He started out the season around 80+% but has since gradually dropped. He will likely end up in the low 70%. This will hurt his value as well.

Another intangible factor that has nothing to do with stats is Utah has a terrible schedule towards the end of this year… including the fantasy playoffs. Utah has 14 games in the final 5 weeks (final 4 fantasy weeks since last 2 weeks are combined as one championship week). Compared to teams like the Miami Heat, which has 17 games during the same period, a guy like Udonis Haslem may seem like a much better deal than Boozer.

In a 12-player league, I’d put Boozer at 3rd round. I’d place Yao Ming at least one full round ahead of Boozer at low 1st round to early 2nd round. If Yao can cut down on his turnovers he can become a legitimate 1st rounder.

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