DM: We were going to take a stab at discussing the Knicks situation today, but with the details changing every minute we figured that what we came up with might be immediately irrelevant. So how about taking a look at one of the teams that can give the Knicks a run for suckiness, at least on the court: the Seattle Sonics. The team was 0-8 until last night, although only two of those losses have been blowouts, so it’s not like they are playing particularly awful. But still, 0-8 is 0-8. A crappy team playing in the Northwest means that they will be way off most fantasy players’ radar, so there might be some hidden value to be found in there. Let’s start with the point guard situation, which is a total mess. Earl Watson was the starter, but was wholly ineffective, so then Luke Ridnour got the call after being unheard of for the first few games, but he’s been awful and now he’s hurt. Delonte West hasn’t started any games but has had the most consistent PT, but hasn’t done much with it. Is the situation going to be this messy all year or will one of them be able to take the job and run with it?
BV: I think the real question is, does it even matter? Each one of the guys you mentioned has struggled to have any real serious fantasy value unless they see over thirty minutes, and even then, it’s borderline. Ridnour peaked about three years ago, and even then he was only PG2 material. Watson’s main role has been to take away value from other players and put up just enough assists that he bounces on and off the waiver wire all year long. If I had to pick one guy to have value, it would be Delonte West, if only because he can occasionally slide over to the 2 spot. The problem is, there’s not much room there either, particularly if Kevin Durant continues to play in the backcourt. But West is also a guy with sneaky value - he was 87 on the APR last year, and he does a little bit of everything. But that was in 32mpg. What is he going to be able to do with only 25 or so … if he even gets that?
DM: Well, people are always on the lookout for an extra PG and all three players have proven that given the opportunity they can be worthy of starting in a 12-team league. I agree that West has the most upside given his well-rounded game and the fact that the new regime in Seattle brought him in, whereas that isn’t the case with Ridnour and Watson. I also get the feeling that West just might not be someone they are comfortable with as a starting PG. It’s still a situation to keep an eye on, but don’t expect any resolution soon. Have you noticed what Jeff Green’s been doing the past few games? He’s getting just over 25 mpg and has averaged 16 and 6.3 with a few steals and blocks. He’s also getting to the line pretty regularly and is shooting 48% on the very young season so far. It doesn’t seem like he will be hitting any 3s this year but he has those long arms that could help him rack up some steals and blocks. Think he’ll be able to crack the starting lineup at any point this season? Damien Wilkins has been playing some decent ball, but he’s still Damien Wilkins.
BV: Oh, if one thing’s for sure, it’s that Damien Wilkins is not going to take anyone’s job away from them. After all, like you said, this team is 0-8 so it’s not like they’re going to keep playing Wilkins because he’s helping them win. He’s seen his minutes slowly start to drop already, and then on Tuesday he fell to just 17 minutes. He’ll land on the waiver wires over the next few weeks and might make an emergence once or twice but I can’t imagine he’s a big part of their puzzle. Green, on the other hand, is the future. He was essentially the big prize that they got in return for Ray Allen, so they obviously expect big things. The only question is why they’re being so cautious with him, despite the fact that he’s 2 years older than Durant who’s being given all the minutes he can handle. But yes, absolutely, he is worth owning right now. Let me give you a little Player A / Player B:
Player A: 6-9, 235 lbs, 10.6/4.8/0.4 with 0.8 steals, 0.5 blocks, in 21 mpg
Player B: 6-7, 228 lbs, 10.2/6.5/1.4 with 0.8 steals, 1.0 blocks, in 24 mpg
Both players played mostly the 3 in college, with even a little 2 sprinkled in, and came out after their junior years, but projected as combo forwards in the pros. Player A is obviously Green. Can you guess who player B is? Hint: He’s now very, very good.
DM: Sorry, I don’t really see Green as the next Shawn Marion. And the Scottie Pippen comparisons are pretty tough to live up to as well. But I agree that instead of wasting time on some of those PGs we were talking about before, you should just pick up Green and stash him away. Come January or February, you’ll be happy about that. And what about Durant? Remember how I said I wouldn’t be touching him this year? I feel pretty good about that call right now. Sure, he’s scoring, but 38% on 20 shots per game is brutal, especially in roto leagues. The 3s and sheer number of minutes are definitely helping his value, but I said Richard Hamilton would end up the more valuable fantasy player this year and I’ll stand by that. What about in the middle? Think Robert Swift can have some second half value? I really like his ability to get blocks, but he’s clearly not even close to being all the way back from his knee surgery yet. I think the Sonics like him, but I think that his best case scenario at this point might be the next Joel Przybilla.
BV: I don’t think you’d even have to wait until January for Green to start paying benefits. We’ll see. But the middle…ugh. You think the PG situation is a disaster on this team? We haven’t even gotten to the worst part! Not only are all these guys - Swift, Collison, Petro, Thomas - all guys that need 30+ minutes to even be a little valuable, but there are more of them competing for minutes than there are at PG. I’m not including Chris Wilcox on this list - he’s a fine C3 and he’ll get his 30 mpg - but all of the rest of them are too risky to own. Robert Swift definitely has the highest upside, but he’s in and out of the lineup so often that you can’t even justify putting him on your bench. Nick Collison is actually starting in our league right now, but he maxes out as a utility guy at best, and I think I would leave him on the waiver wire unless I’m totally desperate for a C. Then there’s Petro, who’s hardly seeing any time, but they just picked up the option on his contract. I would probably rank them Collison, Swift (for upside), Thomas, Petro … but would you be willing to own any of these guys?
DM: Collison’s playing some fine ball right now, mid-70s on most raters, mainly because he’s getting an inordinate amount of steals. But he’s one of those guys who will be on and off the free agent list all year as he goes in and out of the lineup. He’s solid NBA rotation guy but not much more. He has some good games, you pick him up and start him, then he gets two fouls in three minutes (he does this a lot) and has a crappy game. He’s kind of like the white Eddy Curry in his perpetual waiver wireness. And no, I wouldn’t be willing to bet on any of those guys. And we haven’t talked about your favorite preseason sleeper Wally Szczerbiak. Looks like except for that one game he hasn’t really woken up yet, huh? It will be interesting to see what happens when some injuries start to hit this team. Right now it’s really messy, but they still have the ability to score lots of points so there could be value in there somewhere.
BV: Yes, I was hoping not to bring up Wally World, thank you very much. But he did have that one awesome game. I’m not ready to count him totally out just yet, but it looks like it’ll take an injury or a change of attitude from the organization in order for that to happen. The ability is certainly there, as we saw from his one 30+ point explosion, but the minutes just aren’t. I guess I figured he would be getting Damien Wilkins’ minutes…and he still might.